1750pts Marines

[DarkGuard]

Right, well this has been stuck up on another forum already (just guess), but I reckoned I'd stick it up here as well, get a wider audience and a second opinion. It's meant to be competitive, but not in the standard way. By that I mean no Vulkan, no Hammernators etc. The fluff of my Chapter dictates that no special ICs, no bikes (attack bikes are fine though) and no Terminators and Land Raiders can be used in this particular list.

So here it is:

HQ
Librarian Tempestus w/ force sword, Null Zone, Gate = 100

Elites
Sternguard Squad Zarv: 8 Sternguard w/ 3x combi-meltas, power fist = 245

Troops
Tactical Squad Aravik: 10 Marines w/ combi-plasma, plasma gun, multi-melta, Rhino = 225
Tactical Squad Riklir: 10 Marines w/ combi-melta, meltagun, plasma cannon, Rhino = 225
Scout Squad Saephus: 5 Scouts w/ Telion, 3x sniper rifles, missile launcher = 135

Fast Attack
2x Attack Bikes w/ multi-meltas = 100
2x Land Speeders w/ Typhoon missile launchers = 180
Stormtalon w/ Typhoon missile launcher = 155

Heavy Support
Devastator squad Tatovrai: 5 Marines w/ 4x missile launchers = 150
Vindicator w/ dozer blade = 120
Vindicator w/ dozer blade = 120

Total = 1750pts

So that's it. Sternguard footslog with Libby to get the most out of their boltguns and his powers, which aren't as easy to cast in a Rhino now. Tacticals hold objectives and act as hard counters to things the Sternguard aren't so great against, the Scouts hold objectives. Bikes are fast melta, Speeders, Stormtalon and Devs are long-range fire support. The Vindicators are close fire support, bullet magnets and anti-everything.

So what do you guys think? I've been thinking about taking a Rhino for the Sternguard, just to get them into a good position faster and make it easier to reposition and protect them. I'm lacking in combat a bit, normally I use Honour Guard, but I can't make them work without a Land Raider (my fluff allows one Land Raider, but I only have a Redeemer, which my fluff doesn't allow here).

So let me know what you think. Cheers.

[nidzy]

I think terminator armor and a storm shield would be well worth it for survivability on that libby as he can stand out front and soak wounds, using lookout sir to deflect the worst damage. With that said, you have obviously made the fluff based decision to not do that, so just be aware of it and tuck your libby safely away from shooting:p

I don't think telion is worth the points anymore. If I understand the FAQ correctly, he doesn't confer his save to the rest of the squad any more. I could be getting that incorrect though if stealth is one of the rules that states "If any model in the squad..."

I like the list overall. You have nice anti tank options, some good ranged firepower and a solid troop core. Have you considered putting the sternguard in a drop pod for punch? You can drop that powerfist and be almost there on points and it would let you put them where you want them.

[DarkGuard]

Cheers nidzy. I do agree with the Libby, and that's advise I'd normally give, but as you've said, I've said no Terminator. Reason being is that this is a Dark Angel successor Chapter,and this list revolves around the 3rd Company.

With the Drop Pod, I don't own them, and I don't like them. I'd prefer to keep the Sternguard close to my main force anyway, and I also can't easily transport the Drop Pod.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

[nidzy]

I read the stealth rule this morning and it is indeed one of the "if any model" rules so Telion still works to give the whole squad stealth.

[DarkGuard]

OK, so I won my game against Guard 7-5. The army did well, except for the Sternguard who lagged behind. I dropped my Codex powers for BGB so I couldn't even Gate them. As a result they killed a grand total of 6 models, so they're getting a Rhino now.

HQ
Librarian Tempestus w/ force sword, Null Zone, Avenger = 100

Elites
Sternguard Squad Zarv: 8 Sternguard w/ 3x combi-meltas, Rhino = 250

Troops
Tactical Squad Aravik: 10 Marines w/ combi-plasma, plasma gun, multi-melta, Rhino = 225
Tactical Squad Karik: 10 Marines w/ combi-flamer, flamer, heavy bolter, Rhino = 215
Scout Squad Saephus: 5 Scouts w/ Telion, 3x sniper rifles, missile launcher = 135

Fast Attack
2x Attack Bikes w/ multi-meltas = 100
2x Land Speeders w/ Typhoon missile launchers = 180
Stormtalon w/ Typhoon missile launcher = 155

Heavy Support
Devastator squad Tatovrai: 5 Marines w/ 4x missile launchers = 150
Vindicator w/ dozer blade = 120
Vindicator w/ dozer blade = 120

Total = 1750pts

I chose to drop the power fist and switch the melta squad to a flamer squad to get the points. I don't see the power fist being dropped as a major issue, my game is shooting anyway, while my store has gone very much away from mech, so the flamer shouldn't be missed that much. And now I have the ability to get my Elite unit around quickly, or at least to midfield where they can have a bigger impact on the game. So what do you think?

[NidsAndMarines]

Well your first list was 1755 pts ... but anyway ...

I'd not really want my vulnerable & valuable libby in too much combat, but I would want to swap the force sword for a force stave, losing the AP3 but getting +2S. And I'd look to swap his psy-powers for things from the BRB (biomancy might be nice - iron arm for the EW, enfeeble, warp speed, but again this is more situational; telekinesis for Objuration Mechanicum; telepathy for psychic shriek or puppet master (this can be so lol)). Would be nice to somehow find points for more combi's for the sternguard and camo cloaks for the scouts too.

Apart from that I quite like it - just need to get used to rhinos delivering their passengers and then getting glanced to death (looking at you necron warriors ...)

'Nids & Marines.

[DarkGuard]

First list was 1750pts, Sternguard should be 5pts less than what I put there.

As with the Libby, he is fragile, and he always has been. Type of force weapon in non negotiable because that's the weapon that's on the model. Also, I plan to use the BGB powers, but the way we play it at my store is to take the Codex powers you want in the army list and decide if you want to swap before the game.

Cheers for the comment though, and I'm glad you like it.