Vector Strike vs Fliers

[kippawah]

Let's use a Flyrant using this on a Dakkajet. How does this work, exactly? Does Vector Strike count as a shooting attack? Will you have D3+1 attacks to roll 6's to hit, like you would need to shoot at a flier, normally?

Do Fliers take grounding tests, or is that just the FMC's?


Trying to figure out what the actual use of this attack is. For instance, why bother with this, when you can take a Twin-linked Brainleech Worm Devourer? More shots, more chances to roll a 6 to hit, at least.

If Vector Strike counts as a melee attack, could you then use the benefits of smash?

Still trying to get a grasp on the rules of this edition.

Thanks.

[l0rdf1end]

Its 1+D3 auto strength 6 hits.
So no rolling to hit.
Yes, it counts as a shooting attack.
Not the most reliable thing for flyers.

Hive Guard work better since they don't get jink (no cover saves allowed).

Devourers on a Tyrant/Carnifex isnt a bad option... but again, low probability of scoring 6's then 6's.

Either that or psykers rolling under Telekensis for Objuration Mechnicum which does a haywire hit.
So on a 2+ you will glance if you make your psychic test and if he doesn't deny the witch.

[kippawah]

:edit:I guess I glossed over the part where it says "hits." Didn't register with me that it was an autohit...

Ah, auto hit, that's great. Still, usually have to roll 6's to glance.

TL Devs give you a better chance at getting more dice to toss for glance/pen, IMO.

Hive Guard never seem to hit well in my battles. I understand they glance on 4's, at least, but the odds are never with me, when I use HG.

Still learning what works with the new psychic powers, and what can reliably be done with them. Even then, it's hardly "reliable" to even get the power you're looking for...

[wisdomseyes1]

Average 2 hits with TL devourers at s6...

Guaranteed 2+ hits with vector strike.

Vector strike is better when you get into range to do it. Bloodthirsters spoil me.

[coredump]

Also depends if you can get into the rear arc with the devourers, Vector Strike is always side armor.

Vector strike also lets you attack two different units. (One VS, one shooting)

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 22, 2012 3:52:43 GMT coredump said:

Also depends if you can get into the rear arc with the devourers, Vector Strike is always side armor.

Vector strike also lets you attack two different units. (One VS, one shooting)

True, but heavily relies on the facings of both the flier and FMC. Something to not expect with... Well them.

[coredump]

What does?

Vector Strike always hits side, and if I can VS the flyer, I can almost always get behind it, and once behind it, I can shoot it.

[N.I.B.]

Not that hard to Swoop 24" behind a Flier and open up. If you can't make it to the rear, Vector Strike instead of one weapon is the better choice.

Btw the average # of Vector hits are 3 (1D3+1) which means you're usually better off Vectoring a unit of MEQ instead of firing one Devourer weapon.

[kippawah]

Great posts, guys. I appreciate the help. Still feeling out how to use the "fragile" flyrant most efficiently.

I have certainly made the mistake of landing him too close to the battle, brought down and focus fired. Once i've been able to have him survive nearly to the end of the game, skirting the edges.

Skirting the edges and not being a lone wolf/ rambo character, seems to be more reliable. Still presents a threat, trim things from the outside, and jump in to support an assault when necessary.

I end up using him mostly to take on Fliers, as usually a Dakkafex is either not there, or my Hive Guard do their thing and miss. I always seem to roll more 6's with Dakka(Devourers), since 1 TL BLWD is as many shots as a full squad of Hive Guard, and you get to reroll all the misses!

Hive Guard perform somewhat less than they seem they ought to. It always seems to be my problem.

Now that I think of it, I ALWAYS have a problem rolling 3+. The Doom never survives extraordinary amounts of fire. Always seem to fail against S8+. All my MC's with their 3+, never seem to save when I need them to. Right when theres JUUUUUST enough volume of shots/wounds to kill them off. Shooting with the HG, on a 3+? 6 shots? 2 hits, if i'm lucky. Once they lose a member of the squad, they are essentially worthless.

Granted, I know i'm still making other mistakes, like deployment, for instance. That's a big deal. Setting up target priority is how I should be looking at it, not a formation from the start to slog through cover and whatnot.

Ugh. Had to get that off my chest. My first 4 battles have been against Orks and been reeeeal close. 3 of them have been Relic missions, with the Orks JUST squeezing out the victory. I used to have his number in the previous edition...

It's a work in progress.