Tervigons setup

[KrakenGenesi]

Hi guys,

<--- newbie.
If I had to chose between Adrenal Glands or Toxin sacks for a Tervigon which is better and why?

For that matter which is the best choice for each unit that has the choice?

Love from,
Edd

[wisdomseyes1]

If you can only choose 1, I say toxin sacs for its defensive abilities. It take a bit more skill to use adrenal glands and the benefit adrenal glands adds is glancing vehicles (not a bad thing) and rerolling wounds against T4 on the charge when you have toxin sacs.

^ Tervigon

Monstrous creatures in general prefer Toxin sacs because they can smash for extra strength. The additional strength from furious charge is negated in those situations. The actual benefit of toxin sacs isn't usually worth the 10 points you invest in them on monstrous creatures though, i suggest just leaving them be.

Hormagaunts like both. Choosing one, depends on the list and it's ability to deal with transports. If you need something to kill rhinos, adrenal glands. Toxin sacs make for a much more desirable unit in close combat vs infantry though

Termagants don't like either. They can get them from tervigons. If Rey have to take one, toxin sacs, because their guns can glance vehicles rear armor (if you can get to the rear)

Raveners don't like either of them because they can't take them

Warriors seem like they would be waisted points...

Tyranid primes like TS for character killing abilities, and adrenal glands for charging into combat against MEq (marine equivalent, T4 3+ save.) because it.
Allows for a 2+ to wound. I prefer toxin sacs

Genestealers like Toxin sacs or being left plane. Plane sves points, toxin sacs let them reroll wounds. Adrenal glands actually hurt them in a way because the reroll to wound isn't as great sobyour chances of getting rends goes down (not by much though, half a percent, but remember your paying points for it to stay basically the same) and there is no benefit va vehicles because of rending claws and rear armor value being av10 primarily.

I can't think of any other tyranids with them, so that's what I have for now
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[Illithid]

Rerolling +2 To Wound Roll on a Tervigon is always a nice bonus when you are buffing your Termagants.

With Warriors and Shrikes, they can be quite beneficial as you want as many of those "Ignore Armour" wounds as possible (especially against those elite units.

[Akrim]

Hands down go with Toxin Sacs. Poison is such a boost for the lowly Gaunts - especially when theres lots of t4 on the board.

As mentioned - great with Genes, rerolling those misses for the Rends.

I like them on my Trygons too - its a guaranteed 6-7 wounds nearly always.

[DarkGuard]

wisdomseyes1 hits the nail on the head with that post. Toxin sacs in general is the preferred choice, as adrenal glands most of the time is a anti-vehicle upgrade, toxin sacs being anti-infantry. But more than anything, toxin sacs is passive, adrenal glands only activates when you charge, which is why I prefer toxin sacs. Also, adrenal glands got nerfed as it no longer adds to your initiative, while toxin sacs got buffed with the better re-rolls for higher strength monsters.

[wisdomseyes1]

Adrenal glands only really got nerfed on Trygons and Termagaunts.

I know that Daemons would have preferred if Furious Charge did an Initiative buff instead, and some of our own models (Gargoyles, termagants, Trygon) would have as well.

My friend said he thought it would have been a good idea if you could choose to add strength or Initiative when you charged.

[Psychichobo]

Shrikes. They LOVE Toxin sacs.

Mainly as most people prefer a lash whip/bonesword combo so as to swipe in and quickly obliterate an elite unit. The poison is practically necessary there.

[bodycount]

hello people. i dont usually post but i do enjoy reading in these forums. the reason i felt compelled to post is something i read on the bow forum about the wording of onslaught. i havent seen it discussed by the hive yet and i am curious if can actually give us the ability to run, shoot, and then, assault. i know the wording in the new rulebook is charge not assault but i would like to hear some more thoughts on it. im pretty sure I wouldn't feel good about it unless i was playing against a rule lawyer.

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 21, 2012 4:57:47 GMT bodycount said:

hello people. i dont usually post but i do enjoy reading in these forums. the reason i felt compelled to post is something i read on the bow forum about the wording of onslaught. i havent seen it discussed by the hive yet and i am curious if can actually give us the ability to run, shoot, and then, assault. i know the wording in the new rulebook is charge not assault but i would like to hear some more thoughts on it. im pretty sure I wouldn't feel good about it unless i was playing against a rule lawyer.

Please in the future make your own thread on the topic if it doesn't relate to the topic ring discussed.

It was discussed early on. The wording on onslaught "the unit may not assault unless it also has the fleet ability"

It doesn't say you *can* assault if you had fleet. It says that only the fleet abilities rules override this restriction. The fleet ability nolonger overrides this exception, so the ability is now moot. It does need an FAQ though, I'll agree.

[coredump]

Hey Body, Welcome to The Hive... and glad to see you posting.


I seem to come across a lot of rule, um.... misunderstandings from BoW; and this is another one.

Onslaught puts a restriction saying you can't Run+Assault.
But it waives that restriction if you have Fleet.
So if you have Fleet, Onslaught will no longer stop you from Run+Assault.

Unfortunately...

The BRB *also* puts a restriction saying you can't Run+Assault.
But the BRB doesn't waive that restriction....

So you still can't do it, with or without Fleet.

[bodycount]

thx for the info coredump. i will post in another thread next time. i just saw the discussion about the tervigons.

[coredump]

Don't sweat it, it was as On topic as many of the posts....

[DarkGuard]

Aug 20, 2012 17:17:33 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Adrenal glands only really got nerfed on Trygons and Termagaunts.

I know that Daemons would have preferred if Furious Charge did an Initiative buff instead, and some of our own models (Gargoyles, termagants, Trygon) would have as well.

My friend said he thought it would have been a good idea if you could choose to add strength or Initiative when you charged.

Gargoyles as well, who really liked I5 last edition, as they could strike before Marines etc. Now they strike at the same time.

[killme304]

I can't think of a unit in our dex that I would rather have AG over TS. Now, some of them (hormagaunts, gargoyles, and termagants if its from a Tervigon) love to have both at the same time. Anything bigger than a warrior generally doesn't need Adrenal glands. Everything gets better if it takes Toxin Sacs, but the bonus isn't always worth the investment. I take it on Warriors (when I play them) if they are kitted out to get into CC. If I played Shrikes, they would almost always have TS.

Tervigons with Toxin Sacs are awesome, even if the poisoned isn't that big of a boost for itself, it makes the gaunts it spawns genuine threats to all but elite, deathstar type units. I also use AG on it, but thats really only for the spawned stuff, and seems to work well for me.

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 21, 2012 8:13:27 GMT coredump said:

Don't sweat it, it was as On topic as many of the posts....

The op asked for the Tervigons preferred load out, plus the preferences of every unit that has the option... How is that off topic?

Aug 21, 2012 12:55:56 GMT DarkGuard said:

Aug 20, 2012 17:17:33 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Adrenal glands only really got nerfed on Trygons and Termagaunts.

I know that Daemons would have preferred if Furious Charge did an Initiative buff instead, and some of our own models (Gargoyles, termagants, Trygon) would have as well.

My friend said he thought it would have been a good idea if you could choose to add strength or Initiative when you charged.

Gargoyles as well, who really liked I5 last edition, as they could strike before Marines etc. Now they strike at the same time.

Second paragraph, I mentioned gargoyles. They are just Termagaunts with wings... And scything talons++