Pyrovore help please

[KrakenGenesi]

Hi guys,

I was wondering to the effectivness of Pyrovores. I am playing very low points games (500) and was wondering whether a Pyrovore could have a place in an army list.

Are they totally not worth the points? or are there ways that they can be used effectively?

Thanks in advance,

Edd

[wisdomseyes1]

There is a heavy debate on how effective the pyrovore is.

On one side there are the people who call it the worst unit in the game.

On the other, the pyrovore is the second worst unit in the game (chaos spawn that you pay points for in the chaos space marine codex)

Im for the former.

If you have a pyrovore model, congrats, you have a cool looking biovore. There are rumors that our little model will become an anti aircraft unit, but I really don't buy into those rumors until it actually happens. They should evade there isn't much point to buy a pyrovore. With the edition switch, they may want to require the pyrovore in army lists to sell the models... But eh. Once missiles have the skyfire special rule I won't have to worry about flier spam as much (and I don't worry about it now)

Until an update suggests otherwise, don't use the pyrovore. Just do yourself a favor abeen ever use it unless you are taking biovores.

[KrakenGenesi]

heh...well that answers that <dusts hands together>
Thank you very much wisdomeyes1

[glassiya]

KrakenGenesi
Pyrovore is awesome. You just need to use it right.

Let's see all that he can do:

Heavy flamer, 5 str 4 AP. It's main advantage - that it ACTUALLY HITS. It's no bs3 shooting half of which fails, it's not blasts, which scatter into empty field. It's two or three flamers, which are laid down on some elite enemy's unit and naturally destroys them.

Also, these flamers allow nice Overwatch in case someone charges you.

Armor-ignoring attacks (hello Terminators!). Just 1 attack, though - but use the Feed right, and you'll get 3 by model, which is already better.

Acid blood - once again, ignoring armor. Nice.

Explosion - too random and happens only in specific situations, don't count on it.


So - we can see, that Pyros have actual pros. Their only cons, are their cost, their Eliteness (everyone fill their Elite with HGs, am I right?) and their slowpokeness. So, take a mycetic spore, And land them close enough to enemy Harlequins or Nobs, such, this way you can totally caporise them in a blink. Most likely, you will die next turn - well, make sure to take some enemy with you - or drop them somewhere where they are not alone.

[fragile]

Best thing you can do, is play one and see for yourself. Lots of people nay say models they dont like, but in truth they are very effective still. Much like warriors/shrikes are. In 500 pts, you may find it very worthwhile.

[eldar88]

I personally don't see the point in them, their too fragile for the points cost and for what a 45 pt 2 wound heavy flamer. now I know we're a close combat army but come off it their a waste of points and therefore money £22.50 each, cool model, but still a waste of points.

[Psychichobo]

It's a heavy flamer on an ENORMOUS base, with a body that can explode from an Instant Death hit (and it's only T4), that does very little damage to most things when it does explode. It ignores armour but has one attack. Two wounds...

It's just not very good. If you want to ignore armour you use warriors with boneswords, and though a flamer is useful you're paying a lot for it and have to shell out more if you want a spore for it.

Finally... takes up an elite slot. There's a LOT of good things in that slot for Tyranids. A LOT.

[WestRider]

The exact same Weapon shows up in plenty of other Armies, on enough different platforms that we can pretty reliably extrapolate how it's going to do here. Heavy Flamers are nice when they're fast and cheap. Pyrovores are either slow and expensive, or sort of fast and very expensive.

Pretty much the best case scenario I can think of for Podding them in is to drop down and have all three in range of a Dev Squad. 15 Hits, 10 Wounds, 3-4 Marines Dead, maybe pick up the Victory Point* if they Break off the Board. Maybe. Next Turn, your Pyrovores die, because taking out 6 Wounds worth of T4, 4+Sv Models in your own backfield is trivial for a decent list.

Congratulations, you've just sacrificed a 175 Point Unit and a very valuable Elites slot to take out a cheaper Unit from a less needed Opposing slot.

They have a lot of theoretically cool abilities, but for every one, they have a drawback that pretty much negates it. They have a Heavy Flamer, but can't reliably get where it needs to go. They have Power Weapons, but only 1 S4 Attack per Model, and no reliable way of making Combat. They have Acid Blood, but they're pretty much always going to get shot to death, where it doesn't matter.

There are very few truly terrible Units in 40K, but Pyrovores are one of them. Damn shame, really, since the Model is great.

*In the appropriate scenarios, of course.

[Talonis]

If your opponents regularly start showing up with fortifications, the pyrovore could be an answer. Dropping them next to a bastion will pretty much clear out a unit inside, unless they have 3+ save or better.
Units lined up along an aegis defence line are another great target to drop on, as you get a decent amount of models under the flamed template.
This will create an Immediate distraction which will also help draw fire power (probably small arms fire) from your advancing force, and also have a spore in their front lines, possibly blocking line of sight so they need to deal with that too.
Left alone, you might possibly rage, and then the pyrovore is the only Tyranid which can still shoot while under rage, and gain +2 attacks while charging.

The pyrovore looks like it was kent to be dropped and left out of synapse to clean up any remaining infantry, clear out bunkers and flush out units from cover.