Fighting Grey Knights

[Soluncreed]

Tonight, I had the pleasure of my first game against grey knights. After getting tabled after killing two models (one of which was because he periled) and a tank, I was kind of pissed at the army. I knew going into it that it wasn't going to be good, but at 1500 pts. is there really a counter to 6 tanks (I'm not familiar with the name of that transport. Are they rhinos?), each with a 6 man squad with storm bolters and either a couple or an entire unit of halbreds, and three dreadnoughts with that psychic ammo? Psychic powers were out of the question. I had to do it on -4 leadership. Deepstriking was unreliable. I had to avoid warpquake. He shot a billion shots a turn. Wouldn't have been as bothered if the guy I was playing wheezed with excitement and made a snide comment every time he killed something.

And I am to assume that this is an army to play if you want to win a lot? It didn't look fun at all.

[swarm492]

Hate players like that, I wouldn't recommend a rematch to try and win, god forbid you started to the end result would be just as hollow in my experience. Id say lots of cover and hive guard, lots of hive guard. I don't know if its just me and its not a smart thing to do but when I face grey knights and their pallys I plan on shooting tons of hive guard at them. each 1 rolled would mean so much.

[Deleted]

If you feel like an opponent was both douchey and running cheese, don't play games against said person. Let him stand around gameless while you have fun with a fun opponent! Remember there is no rule saying you have to play against anyone. That's what confuses me the most about people talking about games they played where they didn't like it going in . . . Why'd they agree to a game they foresaw not enjoying? I guess if you're a super competitive player it's ideal to take on anyone but if you play for fun don't agree to non-fun games

[coredump]

Can you post your list?

And perhaps his list?

What guns were on the 'tanks'. I am assuming they were razorbacks, but they might have been rhinos.

The -4 to Ld only applies if the target is within 12" of a GK dreadnaught. Regular Aegis is only a -1.


That said... he is still running mech, take him apart. His transports are only AV11, with AV10 rear. A small brood of even HGaunts or gargs will wreck one and kill everything inside. A single Devilflyrant or Devilfex has a good shot at wrecking on in a single volley. Hive guard... etc.

Can't do much specific help without more list info....

[eldar88]

Grey Knights are not invincible, by any means, tyrants with armoured shell certaintly like them, ALL of their big fancy nemisis weapons AP 3, not that it helps us much, but other armies (Deathwing) love them now,

Opponents like the person in question, sounds like the kind of person that people love to hate, theres a similar person at my local store, who nobody likes, how he gets games against the older vetrans is beyond me, he is the kinda person, who is arrogant / really irritating when hes winning and takes the huff (goes in a bad mood) when losing.

With players like that it's easier to just smile and never play him/her again, ever (if you can help it)

[N.I.B.]

Wheezing douche opponent, lol I feel your pain. Best revenge is to beat him next time. And since you're posting in the tactics section and not the general section, I assume your real question is - 'how do I beat GK's?'.

GK's will continue to be popular in 6th ed due to the ease of logistics (few models to transport and quick to deploy) and general extremely good rules. They were hit a bit with the general nerf bat to vehicle resilience and power swords going down to AP3, plus nids got a bit of Deny the Witch protection against Cleansing Flame, but at this point (before units consisting of only characters gets FAQ'd) they are still of of the best 40K armies.

I can't say I'm an expert on GK's, only had 5-6 games against them in 5th ed and none against a good player (good players are rare though, perhaps one out of ten) but I've won all of them so far. And 6th ed made this matchup much better for Tyranids.

Ymgarl Genestealers are your solution to the Walkers (mostly Psydreads, and the occasional Dreadknight). Almost anything in our army can pop transports now, Hive Guards are still nice to that end, and every 6th wound instakills a Paladin if you have no other targets.

Armoured Shell is a pain for GK's to deal with now. They don't like being torrented by S6 either, and no army does that better than us. If you manage to sneak by an Enfeeble (if fighting a deathstar it could be worth it to try) you will instagib Paladins with S6.

I don't remember quite how Aegis works - does it only trigger on targeting friendly units and thus it can't stop Blessings? If so, Iron Arm let us ignore the instadeath for our MC's and they can't stop us casting. That is bad news for GK's. Also Endurance help against las/plas/power weapons.

And every other game should have Night Fight in the beginning.

But the best new part is Fearless. In 5th ed Gants just melted against GK’s, but now all we need is a single Gant in synapse range, alive after swings.

Still the fire power GK’s can put out at 24” is daunting and more potent than ever with cover saves being worse, so that needs to be respected. Play more games, get to know your distances and present target saturation in crucial turns, and you’ll start to win.

[forteh]

Pretty much as above, 2+ saves cause real difficulty for GK in combat unless he tools up with daemon hammers but then tarpitting will be hitting first. Swarmlord annihilates paladins if you can get him into combat, they really struggle to wound him without daemon hammers and wither to the bonesabres (no 2+ save and reroll all passed 5++ saves); take lash whips and rending on the hive guard to keep them alive for longer.

Most of their shooting is AP4 and above but will chew through meatshields very quickly, I've previously lost 30 gaunts, 20 gants and a bunch of stealers in the first turn to stormraven fire.

The -4 to ld is reinforced aegis from the venerable dreads, it only works if the power you're using affect a GK unit within 12" of the dread; been faced with that misinterpretation before!

[coredump]

Aegis kicks in when you specifically target a GK unit with Aegis. So blessings will work fine.

Powers that don't target an Aegis unit, but affect that unit (lets say a blast weapon power) would not be subjected to the Aegis penalty.

[milkybarnid]

Grey Knights are always going to be pain, they are hard but not unbeatable, against that kind of list (from the description there is and making assumptions), they were in Razorbacks, which he cannot assault out of, the Dreadnoughts can be dealt with Hive guard and Ymgarls, most Grey Knight players tend to outfit their Dreadnoughts with two Twin linked autocannons and psybolt ammo. this makes it a lot safer to to assault with Ymgarls as they will get their armour save (they are still S6 though, so wound on 2s, 3s if you do the T upgrade). This kind of dread will instant death Warriors, so if you do take warriors make sure they can't draw line of sight to them.

I assume that the Grey Knight player has not upgraded his Razorbacks with anything, as they are quite expensive considering the low amount of models they accommodate, yes they have a Heavy bolter as standard but thats all it is. If they all concentrate fire on one unit, this can be devastating. I cant remember in this edition if the vehicle stays still units can assault after disembarking, (im pretty sure they cannot do this) this means he will have to get out, he will shoot but his units will be vulnerable.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of his list, adapt and destroy

[eldar88]

ur right on all counts, diembark = no assault