DE!~!~!!!~~~ RWAR!

[revx]

so i have watched a couple DE batreps and some local games.

how the H does anyone stand up to the amount of shooting a invun saves they get. they seems so powerful.

anyways i dont care how anyone else except nids fair, but how do you go about killing DE as a nids player?

[FTGTEvan]

Pray? I'm just getting back into the game, so I've only played DE once in 6 ed and I got tabled without killing anything. My list was pretty outdated to begin with, but there frankly wasn't enough cover to hope to hide in, and they were far too fast. The only thing I could think of would be to keep your units tight so they can't pick off isolated pockets and keep out of range of return fire. I'm not much help, I know.

[N.I.B.]

Depends on the type of DE army. DE Venomspam was in 5th ed as close to an autoloss as you could get, for Nids. Mech has taken a huge swing from the nerf bat in 6th ed when it comes to vulnerability, so at least we can bite back better.

Venoms only have 2 Hull Points, so 10 Gants with AG should kill one on average in combat. Getting there is the hard part, as before. Still I believe it's a brutal matchup for nids, even though I haven't played against them in 6th ed yet. Cover and FNP nerfed to 5+ plays into the hands of Venomspam. Flickerfields still work against Impaler Cannons.

Reserve builds are much better against Venomspam in 6th ed though.

[halos]

A minor buff in the hands of the canny Dark Eldar player also comes with the allowance of pre-measuring, especially with the Night Shields upgrades; the DE vehicles can be placed precisely a fraction of an inch out of whatever threatens them. To Tyranids with their lack of long range firepower this is significant.

On the plus side their vehicles are now (marginally) weaker. FnP is worse on the T3 (majority) DE models as most of the Tyranid things which do ignore armour are S6 or higher anyway. They have extremely limited access to AP2 combat weaponry so an Armoured Shell Tyrant can be good, although lances still sting. Zero psychic defense too so load up on psykers. A single Enfeeble on a T3 unit ensures even Fleshborers will deny FnP and cause instant-death.

So in short; their infantry are pretty easy prey, their vehicles are, as ever, the bigger threat. DSing Devilgants and Dakkafex will more than likely kill a Venom/Raider when they drop down so load up on those and hope for the best.

Alernatively spam as many gaunts as possible; DE have quite limited options for anti-horde.

[revx]

i kinda of like the horde idea, but they get so many shots. i didnt know how it would fair. maybe max gargs terms and tervs =P

[Mindshred]

I've found that horde does alright against Dark Eldar, so long as you make sure to make their warrior gunboats a priority. Getting rapid fired with poisoned weapons sucks for hordes and monstrous creatures alike.

Devgants are also rather handy, as they can drop a raider in a round of shooting without much effort.

[revx]

i guess the real problem is in a tourny setting where you only get one list. most people are human races and there is only 1 - 2 DE, i would hate to just concede a win to the DE but to be balanced against all the other armies that's what it feels like has to happen.

[brianb9999]

The new DE tactic is to bring night shields on venoms or ravagers and just sit in the back of the battlefield, nicely out of range of most tyranid weapons. Depending on how many of each you're used to seeing, sometimes it is best to ignore them all together. If they tend to be aggressive with them, hive guard and dakkafexes/tyrants are great at bringing down DE vehicles. Fex/prime units are fairly survivable in that you can generally get cover, FNP from something (which now works against dark lances), and use LoS + regen for some serious wound allocation shenanigans.

Y-stealers can be a great back/midfield disruption unit; I have found that 2 units of ~6 can be quite effective (it took me a lot to only use 1 brood of hive guard). They can mess up anything outside of your guns' ranges.

Target priority is a must against DE; you want to shoot certain units (watches) while certain units are safer to assault (wracks). And remember, while warriors can put out a lot of firepower, they die if the wind blows to swiftly. They are difficult, but beatable.

[N.I.B.]

My drop nids would eat a Nightshielded DE army alive, but Flickerfields are annoying.

[gigasnail]

N.I.B. with the changes to reserve armies (i.e. the no models on board at end of any turn = you loose), how are reserve armies working against DE in 6th? putting a couple of tervs on the board while podding everything else in seems dangerous against DE with their volume of fire. i have been out of the picture for a bit though; please enlighten me if there's something i missed.

[Jestar]

Aug 11, 2012 22:52:09 GMT gigasnail said:

N.I.B. with the changes to reserve armies (i.e. the no models on board at end of any turn = you loose), how are reserve armies working against DE in 6th? putting a couple of tervs on the board while podding everything else in seems dangerous against DE with their volume of fire. i have been out of the picture for a bit though; please enlighten me if there's something i missed.

I've found the best way to do this is to hide out of line of sight and wait. Your opponent will move to get shots against you, but you can still (usually) get cover and their movement furthers onto the board plays into your hands when you're podding fex's in and Flying Tyrants in from your board edge. Brainleech Devs are brilliant against their vehicles. And even ripper tentacles on the pods have a reasonable chance to do something against Venoms.

[killme304]

I play vs DE all the time, more than any other army. The match up really is uphill both ways, but I have a 50/50 win ratio against most lists. I noticed most people around here are shifting away from wytches and into warriors for majority troops choice. Combined with splinter racks on Raiders, they put out a ridiculous amount of wounds easy, even in overwatch. Thankfully all their vehicles are open-topped, so its really easy to explode them, and that usually kills a good number of the occupants.

[eugee]

My buddies 1500 Dark Eldar.

Baron Sathonyx + 8 Hellions
Haemonculus (venom blade, liquifier) + Hekatrix (agonizer) + 8 Wyches (haywire) + Raider (dark lance, flicker)

5 Trueborn (4 blaster) + Venom (2 splinter cannon)
5 Trueborn (4 blaster) + Venom (2 splinter cannon)

5 Warriors (1 blaster) + Venom (2 splinter cannon)
5 Warriors (1 blaster) + Venom (2 splinter cannon)

Ravager (3 dark lance, flicker)
Ravager (3 dark lance, flicker)
Razorwing Jetfighter (splinter cannon, flicker)

1497.

It is a horrendous army to take on. Target saturation is the only thing that I've found has a remote chance. If I don't present him with enough targets, first he'll try to pick off MCs and anything he can ID with lances/blasters, then use the cannons to finish off any MCs still alive, and start shredding the smaller stuff then. It's not quite as bad now, since I can finally hurt him with my adrenal fueled models (terms, horms, and gargs all can glance his stuff to death in melee, and they aren't hard to hit now). But I've found sitting back and trying to "draw him out" is worthless. He can move 12" and shoot 36". He'll just sit back and pick off the units most dangerous to him first.

[omnivore]

It's a tough match. You can try to use a swooping Tyrant with 2x devs to counter some of his speed and pop transports; the hit on 6's will help protect him from all that nasty poison shooting. Trouble is you are at high risk for grounding (which I have now failed the roll 2/2 times...).

My only advice is that venoms MUST die as quickly as possible.

[kurbutti]

gigasnail: You can infiltrate a group of Genestealers into some ruin at the beginning of the game. Then Go To Ground for that 2+ save. That'll keep them safe until the cavalry arrives. Templates aren't too common in DE armies, so you should be good.