Just crazy enough to work...

[swarmy]

So in my most recent game I stumbled on an insane scenario; is it possible to sweep a bloodthirster? In my quest to find ever more convoluded psychic combos I managed to stick terrify and enfeeble on a bloodthirster I had locked in a challenge with my swarmlord (epic!). I gave myself preferred enemy and warp speed. Seeing as how he lost his fearless status in every round of combat, if in the somewhat less likely event he lost combat to missing (he could be feared on 5&6 and 6&6 fear test to knock down to WS1) and taking more wounds then subsequently failing his morale check could he be swept? Does his swanky eternal warrior status prevent this from occurring? He managed to squeak out a roll of 9 the one round he lost by 1 wound; neither of the HQ titans died that game. On less absurd units I think I might be onto something with MC's and terrify from broodlords commandos/flyrants.

We both laughed and joked about the stories that would be told about that one time a bloodthirster was swept off the table by bugs.

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That sounds like house rule territory haha

[fragile]

Yes. He is no longer fearless and must make the normal Morale checks. IF he failed the check at the end of combat and Fell Back, he could be swept. Eternal Warrior would have no effect on sweeping.

More curious fun would be Terrify at the movement phase. If the enemy failed and was swept in the movement phase.

[swarmy]

Aug 8, 2012 19:37:19 GMT fragile said:

Yes. He is no longer fearless and must make the normal Morale checks. IF he failed the check at the end of combat and Fell Back, he could be swept. Eternal Warrior would have no effect on sweeping.

More curious fun would be Terrify at the movement phase. If the enemy failed and was swept in the movement phase.

If I had even more points in my dumb point-sink list I would have put a deathleaper in there too if I had seen that as a possibility haha

Terrify is magical. Dominate is too. I love that discipline so much

[Jabberwocky]

Yep, sweeping works.

However, you can't sweep in the movement phase. Sweeping advance is specific to winning/resolving combat. Falling back as part of a morale test is slightly different.

However, if you break them and then charge them AND they fail to regroup, they are wiped immediately.

Definitely something to look out for with our nids. Gargoyles can be broken off the board turn 1. Tervigons can be swept by wiping the supporting gants, etc.

[swarmy]

Aug 8, 2012 20:33:57 GMT Jabberwocky said:

Yep, sweeping works.

However, you can't sweep in the movement phase. Sweeping advance is specific to winning/resolving combat. Falling back as part of a morale test is slightly different.

However, if you break them and then charge them AND they fail to regroup, they are wiped immediately.

Definitely something to look out for with our nids. Gargoyles can be broken off the board turn 1. Tervigons can be swept by wiping the supporting gants, etc.

Yikes, do you know off-hand who all would commonly use telepathy? At my shop it seems to be a uniquely tyranid thing. I'm guessing terrify is the only path to that? How else would the remaining fearless HQ/troop monstrosity be subject to that? I can't think of any other reason I've come across to lose fearless under normal circumstances.

Also, aren't our units considered under the influence of the hive mind still getting synapse turn 1 even in the enemy turn? How do the gargoyles lose their fearless that early?

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I brought up how great Telepathy was for the SL before and got rained on by everyone proclaiming Biomancy to be clearly better, lolz. Telepathy has very scary uses. Traitorous hallucinationn on a deathstar? Lolz. Dominate on a massive ork blob? Lolz.

[swarmy]

Aug 8, 2012 21:01:31 GMT @60mm said:

I brought up how great Telepathy was for the SL before and got rained on by everyone proclaiming Biomancy to be clearly better, lolz. Telepathy has very scary uses. Traitorous hallucinationn on a deathstar? Lolz. Dominate on a massive ork blob? Lolz.

Testify! haha

I guess it depends on your play style if you'd rather bludgeon them to death with brute force or kill them through subversion and trickery.

[Jabberwocky]

Eldar have telepathy too though most will take divination.

The thing with terrify is, you don't lose fearless. Fearless stops affecting you. Synapse itself makes you regroup automatically but not until the start of your turn. Infiltrated Broodlords can be in range for turn 1 terrify. Breaking a LD6/7 unit is pretty good odds, especially if you then hit with a Flyrant. You could make a brood of screening gribblies run quite easy, letting you assault something behind. Jump infantry and beasts also fall back 3d6, which is reasonable odds of getting them off the table, especially with a second fall back move from suffering any casualties to shooting or dangerous terrain.

Luckily for us, nids are the only thing likely to try it since we can infiltrate our telepaths close, safely. Most psykers will hang back or be in vehicles turn 1 so it isn't a worry.

[swarmy]

Aug 8, 2012 21:27:40 GMT Jabberwocky said:

Eldar have telepathy too though most will take divination.

The thing with terrify is, you don't lose fearless. Fearless stops affecting you. Synapse itself makes you regroup automatically but not until the start of your turn. Infiltrated Broodlords can be in range for turn 1 terrify. Breaking a LD6/7 unit is pretty good odds, especially if you then hit with a Flyrant. You could make a brood of screening gribblies run quite easy, letting you assault something behind. Jump infantry and beasts also fall back 3d6, which is reasonable odds of getting them off the table, especially with a second fall back move from suffering any casualties to shooting or dangerous terrain.

Luckily for us, nids are the only thing likely to try it since we can infiltrate our telepaths close, safely. Most psykers will hang back or be in vehicles turn 1 so it isn't a worry.

Ah, well sounds like good enough reason to watch out for that and maybe reserve gargoyles if there's any remote risk of that with other tyranids or eldar.