synapse and go to ground.

[warischoy]

if a unit that wasn't fearless gone to ground they must do nothing for the next turn right?

but models which are fearless cannot go to ground now, and synapse automatically gives a unit the fearless rules.

SO if i move the synapse creature into synapse range of a unit that has gone to ground does that make it automatically stand up because it is not allowed to be gone to ground?

[FTGTEvan]

I would say no because fearless preventing them going to ground is for when it happens. Once they've gone to ground, they've gone to ground and will face all the benefits and difficulties of doing so regardless of any other factors.

[wisdomseyes1]

Going to ground and pinnig are the same thing, jut different methods of getting there. Isn't it true that gaining fearless makes you get up?

Not entirely sure on new grounding rules.

[warischoy]

thats what i thought. however, even if its true that they do get up, it will be a difficult time explaining that to an opponent.

[rpricew]

As we know calling the GW battle bunker is unreliable at best, but I like to get their thoughts anyway...

They said... Since the unit has already gone to ground, becoming fearless on the next turn doesn't allow them to get up, since the rule for fearless just says you can't go to ground. It would have to specifically say "You Get Back Up" in order for the unit to get up.

Of course I see it both ways... if a unit that is falling back comes under synapse then they auto regroup because the rules say so. I think synapse should override the going to ground thing. We lose fearless the moment we fall out of range, therefore we should gain all of the benefits when under synapse.

just my $0.02

[wisdomseyes1]

Yea, I have been looking into the rulebook and codex and can't find anything but common sense that says they would get up. The only mention of going to ground and fearless is under fearless. There isn't anywhere that mentions gaining fearless like inthe last rulebook, so until an FAQ comes out, they are not getting up (though, I don't mind having extra cover and fearless at the same time, personally)

[fragile]

They would still follow all the rules for GTG until the end of their next turn. However, once they are in synapse range they would be fearless again for any other purposes.

[Sensei]

I have a related question that came up the other day with a friend. It has to do with gaining fearless when coming back into synapse.

Rules say that when a unit regroups it gets a 3 inch consolidation move and then they can shoot, but may not make any further movement or assault that turn. Here's the situation we had:

Unit of hormagaunts (out of synapse range) were assaulted by dreadnought. obviously, they got stomped on and weren't able to hit back. As they were out of synapse, I chose to fail and ran due to the "our weapons are useless" rule. They made it out of combat and rolled their 2d6 fallback move. I moved them 5 inches towards my table edge and as a result they moved into synapse range. This is where me and my friend got stumped...

As per synapse, units in range regroup automatically. Do they get a 3 inch regroup move as soon as they move into synapse? And then can they move and assault as normal on my next turn? Or (because synapse is tested at the beginning of movement) do they move their fallback, and then sit and wait until my next turn because synapse isn't checked during that phase? If they sit there until my next turn, do they get to move and assault, as they technically regrouped when coming into synapse range or are they restricted to the 3 inch move? The reason it confused us is because the regroup 3 inch move is written with most other armies in mind where a unit running is testing for morale each movement phase and so would get to move 3 inches if they pass while falling back. That makes sense. Tyranid synapse seems to throw a wrench in the process and we weren't sure in what phase things would be worked out.

[fragile]

Regroup tests are done in your movement phase just before moving. They will not be able to run or assault after they regroup.