1000 point competitive fast list

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Hive Tyrant, Wings 230
20 Gargoyles, Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands 160
15 Termagants, Devourers, Mycetic Spore 190
15 Termagants, Devourers, Mycetic Spore 190
Dakkafex, Mycetic Spore 230

Total: 1000

This is for a game tomorrow, what do you think?

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You have very little objective holding power with just two medium sized broods of Termies, if your opponent is smart he'll just focus your termies to dust and you'll be unable to take any objectives.

The Tyrant probably won't be worth his points with only 4 attacks and no HC or OA to boost the army with.

I'd can the Dakkafex and use the points to kit your Tyrant properly and boost your troop selections
or
Can the Tyrant for a kitted Tervigon which will pull more weight in a 1k game than a vanilla Flyrant.

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List worked, beat Space Wolves and Necrons. Only played two games.

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Nice, toss up those batreps!

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For a competitive list you were fairly lazy in how it is presented to us

The tyrant has free options, I assume lw/bs and talons, eater than double talons? And psychic powers on the tyrant are? (regardless of weather you roll on the psychic chart it's always good to write them down on the chance you want tyranid powers)

You have 2 units on the board, a 4 wound model who likely benefits from cover, and a brood of 20 models who are not going to be hurting to much from their distance from the opponent.

Honestly, as someone else said, one of the big concerns is scoring, but a much bigger concern in synapse. If and when the tyrant dies (and it will with a grounded test barrage if nothing else) you will have no synapse. Gargoyles will refuse your orders to charge the opponent, and rather would hide from them and shoot. The carnifex will go berserk and choose not to shoot its guns.

This list will lose to anyone who knows Tyranids need synapse.

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When someone doesn't list wargear on a model, it's assumed they're using the default wargear. You decide on psychic powers after mission type is determined, it would be lunacy to provide it on a list. In the two games I played I used Biomancy against the Space Wolves and Telekinesis against the Necrons.

The Gargoyles were invaluable against the Space Wolves, and had no trouble getting into assault, but as said they were massacred by Necrons before they got into close combat. I never had a problem with their synapse though, either they got into close combat quickly, or died quickly.

Lurk also was a complete non-issue with the Devilgants, as they don't need to test the turn they came in, and that's when they did most of their damage.

I had no issues with scoring, I tabled the Wolves, and my one of my Termagants held an objective against Necrons. Interestingly against Wolves I got that Heavy Support centric mission, but the Carnifex died in that game so it didn't help me at all.

I posted initially because I wanted advice, I didn't get very much, that's alright, I posted last minute, didn't know I'd be in the tournament. Well, I won 2/2 games against two of the most competitive armies that exist. This is a good list, you should try it.

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 5, 2012 7:15:35 GMT squash said:

When someone doesn't list wargear on a model, it's assumed they're using the default wargear. You decide on psychic powers after mission type is determined, it would be lunacy to provide it on a list. In the two games I played I used Biomancy against the Space Wolves and Telekinesis against the Necrons.

The Gargoyles were invaluable against the Space Wolves, and had no trouble getting into assault, but as said they were massacred by Necrons before they got into close combat. I never had a problem with their synapse though, either they got into close combat quickly, or died quickly.

Lurk also was a complete non-issue with the Devilgants, as they don't need to test the turn they came in, and that's when they did most of their damage.

I had no issues with scoring, I tabled the Wolves, and my one of my Termagants held an objective against Necrons. Interestingly against Wolves I got that Heavy Support centric mission, but the Carnifex died in that game so it didn't help me at all.

I posted initially because I wanted advice, I didn't get very much, that's alright, I posted last minute, didn't know I'd be in the tournament. Well, I won 2/2 games against two of the most competitive armies that exist. This is a good list, you should try it.

When I said in my post "on the off chance you want to use tyranid psychic powers" I was referring to the tyrant having to choose psychic powers during army deployment. I am not suggesting he tell us what table he is rolling on, as that is lunacy. I also assumed lw/bs because of the reason you said, I was just making sure it wasn't double scything talons for the purposes of what exactly the tyrant would be used for in the list.

Now for the synapse issue, your Lists have more than one synapse creature. This list has 1 synapse creature, so it is entirely possible that they will be out of synapse indefinately. Ad if they are there is no model in this list that can reliably pass a leadership test.

IB may not be an issue for devilgants (unless they don't land in area terrain) but fearless (lack there of) is. 5 guys die from close range fire, they are going to fall back, 8 guys and they will fall back for the rest of the game.

Instinctive behavior on the gargoyles if the tyrant does means if they didn't inflict damage in close combat, they likely won't be. Because tey need to pass a leadership text or that will hide. They will not assault so long ad they lurk.

The carnifex will attempt to shoot stuff down turn 1. If he isn't in range of the tyrant on turn 2, because the tyrant isn't rearby or because it is dead, the carnifex has a small chance of firing again. Because feed says he can't.

For some strange reason, people seems to be forgetting lack of fearless is a huge reason we keys genestealers in synapse. People with the edition switch looked at our codec and said "oh, half he IB is a good thing now, who needs synapse?" when this is a game where your models can get afraid and you lose because of it. Ad it's not unrealistic to say 1 tyrant won't cover 5 units, 3 of whome scatter when they come in, and that the tyrant is 4 wounds as susptible to bolter fire when she swoops and s8 fire when she doesnt. It's not unrealistic to say turn 4 she is likely dead, and turn 4 everything is on the table (reserve rules) so turn 5 your opponent take a few pot shots at your remaining units, wins because your 2 scoring units are falling back and can't regroup.

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Edit: I didn't even know it was your list I was just kind of putting my thoughts out.


In response to the "2 most competitive armies" thing though? Takes a good opponent and a good army in tandem. I really want to know what these armies did exactly to lose, and what exactly they took. Because it sounds kid of fishy. I mean I understand ones ability to not realize Tyranids arent fearless out of synapse, few people do because tey so seldom are, but 5 units on the table it's just hard to believe

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Will remember not to chip in on your threads, sorry my insights weren't what you wanted to hear.