Overwatch...beware...

[paxmiles]

Anyone else been a bit disgusted at how many extra guys are dying when you assault the enemy?

I mean, they shoot on their turn, then again on your turn. After that, you just hope some of the guys survived...
-Pax

[elitemaster]

I dont loss that many or any guys when I assault so i dont have that proplem in that area and when I do loss guys its like 2 to 3 of them and thats it

[paxmiles]

Jul 30, 2012 18:49:47 GMT elitemaster said:

I dont loss that many or any guys when I assault so i dont have that proplem in that area and when I do loss guys its like 2 to 3 of them and thats it

It's the combination of shooting on their turn and then additional shooting on your turn that I'm talking about.

Especially bad if the opponent has lots of shots (3 each or more), or the weapons deny saves (rapid fire plasma weapons has been a nasty one for my Chaos marines).

Had an IG opponent run a special weapons squad with 3 plasma. He shot 6 at BS3, then another 6 at BS 1. Kills ~4 guys on average, which for marines, represents a huge issue and at least 60pts of loss. The new rules that take from the front, are extra dangerous for marine special or heavy weapons. Especially problematic as the special weapon squad is worth maybe 60-75pts in total.

I'm really curious about the fleshborer hive, and similar mass volume fire weapons in this edition.
-Pax

[lostminds]

For me it is the combination of random charges & overwatch... maybe it was just my intro to 6th game that was horrid....

I could not for the life of me charge more than 6" even with re-rolls. Then my gaunts would lose at minimum 5+ guys. Yes the person I played against rolls great but that is besides the point I mean it won't stop me from playing but man when the dice roll poorly....

[paxmiles]

Jul 30, 2012 19:06:22 GMT lostminds said:

For me it is the combination of random charges & overwatch... maybe it was just my intro to 6th game that was horrid....

I could not for the life of me charge more than 6" even with re-rolls. Then my gaunts would lose at minimum 5+ guys. Yes the person I played against rolls great but that is besides the point I mean it won't stop me from playing but man when the dice roll poorly....

Yes, this too. Had my CSM lord on jump pack and a unit of raptors roll a three on their charge. I got my re-roll and got a 7. Either way, still out of range after the over watch killed 2 guys....
-Pax

[webebuggin]

Nope even against rapid fire tau fire squads I lose one or two for the charge. Now orkboyz hordes with shootas are another story. Just like our devourer squads soooo many shots lol

[kenji10000]

Yeah its definitely volume of fire that worries me more then STR of the weapons.

[seahawk]

My hormagaunts unit sat 7" away for two turns, because they'd get within that much to charge, then the overwatch would kill me 6" back, then move up and repeat.

Just something to get used to.

[fragile]

I have found Overwatch to be mostly insignificant. Mostly I factor in the fact that I will lose alot of troops and then commit screening units to eat the overwatch on stuff that ignores armor (your plasma example) or big stuff on regular shooty marines ( Trygon vs tac squads). I then follow up with whatever other assaults on that same squad I think needed to kill them off.

[wisdomseyes1]

It's why you don't use cc unless your guys are cc monsters.

[greatescape13]

I've been underwhelmed by Overwatch frankly. Only squads with twin-linked weapons have done anything impressive on overwatch (Tau crisis suits). Even big units are not all that impressive in my experience. Plus, that's why I run little 30 point groups of rippers when I can--they charge first any unit that might be impressive in overwatch.

Cheers.

[Winged Menace]

Pax if you used gaunts instead of marines you wouldn't worry so much about plasma or ovrwatch.

[zephoid]

My complaint is that the I1 through cover was already supposed to represent getting hit while charging and having to avoid fire. Now they get 2 bonuses representing the same thing.

[wisdomseyes1]

I mean, honestly, it is a lot of dice and a lot more chances to get lucky... But not the most destructive thing in the new edition for close combat. Charge ranges and "no running" has destroyed close combat, really. Just my opinion.

[Jabberwocky]

You get 2 combat phases per game turn to whomp then, now they get 2 shooting phases to fight back.

Seems fair to me, just have to pick your battles. Most of our shooting is fairly high volume so we actually come out quite well from it really.