Neat little close combat trick

[amareis]

I used this trick in a recent fight.

I had a Trygon, three termas and a swarmlord charge 5 Paladins with Corteaz.

The Trygon takes the overwatch and fails his charge roll. The termas and swarmlord come in just fine.
The termas blocks the path so that my swarmlord is saved from fighting Corteaz (and his I1 hammer) along with 2 more paladins.
My swarmlord kills 2 Paladins outright and gives a wound to the third one (makes his 5++, re-rolls and fails, passes his 3D6 leadership).

They strike back and I save swarmy with a couple of good saves.

Now Corteaz does his 3" pile-in, but because he is at I1, he doesn't get close enough and ends up in base contact with the termas, not swarmy. Now he has to kill all three termas before he can get to swarmy, and gets them, but fails to do any more harm.

Swarmy lives to fight another round

What you can learn from this is to block with less important squads

[wolvesoffenris]

There is no 3d6 leadership for Swarmy. He always inflicts ID. You should have killed 3 paladins.

[amareis]

(please do not swear) - I did not see that...damnit, could have blown those pallys away

But I forgot his Preferred enemy buff for two rounds as well Damn.

And that in turn would forced a morale check. God damnit!

[Jabberwocky]

Yup it's definitely worth getting several units into a combat.

Coteaz could have just challenged you though at the start, letting his pallies whomp the gants. My money would still be on Swarmy in that challenge though.

[wisdomseyes1]

Also remember he has a 4++ save in close combat... Just in case

[nameless]

Yeah, Coteaz doesn't have an invulnerable save, does he? Swarmy would have killed him for sure.

[Winged Menace]

Coteaz never gets to swing in that challenge. If swarmlord does 1 wound coteaz dies from t3 and no invul. If swarmlord whiffs then coteaz hits on 5+ with 3 attacks and str6. The likelyhood of anything scary happening there is so slim I would never consider it.

[fragile]

Jul 30, 2012 14:24:43 GMT Jabberwocky said:

Yup it's definitely worth getting several units into a combat.

Coteaz could have just challenged you though at the start, letting his pallies whomp the gants. My money would still be on Swarmy in that challenge though.

From the sound of it, he couldnt challenge Jabber. If he was too far away for his 3" pile in to get him to the Swarm, then he was too far to issue a challenge.

And yeah, without EW or Invul saves, Swarmlord eats most named characters.

[N.I.B.]

He was involved in the same combat, and could fight. I'd say he would be able to issue/accept challenges, with the caveat I don't have the challenge rules totally down yet.

[amareis]

You can always issue a challenge, but my opponent didn't want to fight my swarmlord, and I forgot to challenge. He would have let one of his pallies do the challenge and then not fight, effectively leaving a pally out of the fight. Wouldn't have bothered me

wisdomseyes1, believe me, I would never forget that save VERY important.

Jabberwocky, read the challenge rules dude Corteaz would get to re-roll 1D6 for the 5 pallys, but they would be left there doing _nothing_ until the fight between swarmy and corteaz was over. And would still have to wait until the next assault phase. I stand corrected. It was not until the gaunts were gone that this would happen.

Challenges reduce everyone, but the challengers, in the fight to bystanders. As long as there is only 1 model left on one side.

[fragile]

Page 64, Characters that cannot fight or strike blows, (including those not engaged with an enemy model) cannot issue challenges.

Page 23. Who can fight. (short version) BTB contact or within 2" of a friendly model in BTB.

Again, I didnt see the battlefield, but it sounds like Corteaz was not in BTB or within 2" at the charge, therefore he was not engaged and could not strike blows, hence unable to challenge.