MC 2 d6 armor pen??

[mackie95]

i haven't got the 6th ed rulebook quite yet, so i am wondering if the 2 d6 armor pen for monstrous creatures is gone? i've heard someone on the forum say this and if it is true, is anything replacing it?

[Bot]

Yes. Monstrous creatures do no longer Pen on 2D6. However, all MC's have smash. It halves the models base attacks and gives it double strength. For the purpose of Penetrating Vehicles, you can re-roll your armour penetration roll.

[edit]

it does make it a lot easier to take down vehicles, so it is nothing bad.

[twin44]

Jul 29, 2012 11:53:33 GMT Bot said:

Yes. For the purpose of Penetrating Vehicles, you can re-roll your armour penetration roll.

WHAT?!?!?! (please do not swear), that stupid Doomsday ark would have exploded las night if i knew that!

But yes, no more 2D6 AP. With this new reroll thing (Thanks Bot), it will very much make blowing vehicles apart very easy.

[jofan32]

Didn't realise you could re-roll the armour pen sweet that's gonna help my trygon and fex :-) nice one

[wisdomseyes1]

Also remember AP2 is +1 on the VDC now, and MC's perpetually have AP2. Vehicles go boom.

Also remember there is no "wrecked" result on the damage table anymore. Only 6's blow it up, if you want a wreck you have to take away all their hull points.

Close combat vehicles is far easier now, they have weaponskill 0 if they are immobilized and WS1 NO MATTER HOW FAR THEY MOVED.

6th edition made vehicles so much fun, I am glad I play armies where I refuse to use vehicles.

[mackie95]

thx for answers:) looking forward to play 6th ed this week hopefully!

[fleetofclaw]

Regarding *pure* pen roll calculations, for most of our MCs (s6) Smash was a marginal upgrade to our odds of penning lower armor vehicles, and a drop against higher armor. I think most people forget to halve the attacks when comparing the effectiveness of 2d6 vs s10+ 1d6. However the MAIN boosts were the fact that vehicles became much easier to hit (which mitigates the lost attacks), and smash giving us the reroll on the damage table. The net effect is vehicles are easier to punch in 6th.

The bug that got the biggest slap in the face was the Carnifex; granted she was a rare beast, and even rarer in the CC form, but they would laugh at Land Raiders with average pen rolls of 16, or 17 with AG.1ex