1500 tournament list

[rbacus]

I'm trying to make a good all-comers list for a tournament that is coming up in a week. I'll be facing just about every army except for other nids. So here it is...

HQ
Tervigon w/ cc, toxin sacs, adrenal glands, cat, ons

ELITES
6 ymgarl genestealers

TROOPS
10 hormagaunts w/ toxin sacs
6 genestealers w/ broodlord, toxin, scything talons
10 termagants w/ devourers
3 warriors w/ 2 boneswords, deathspitters, and toxin sacs

HEAVY SUPPORT
Trygon w/ toxin sacs, regen
2 carnifex w/ stranglethorn cannons, tw devourers.

Total is 1488

I like a lot of scoring units, and monstrous creatures. I'll start with everything but the ymgarls on the board and just go for it. I'll start having the tervigon making gaunts turn three or four to claim objectives. The ymgarls will deal with backfield units, and everything else will be case by case. What do you all think?

[wisdomseyes1]

Regen on trygon? Expensive.
Strangle thorn cannons? Why? Anti infantry? I feel carnifexen became very good for anti fliers, with above average anti infantry.
Is the brood lord one of the genestealers or added to them (unit of 6 or 7?)
Adrenal glands on tervigan to glance vehicles with gants?

For 1500 points, you dont seem like you have many models. That could become problematic, since the models you do have dont look like they will last very long.

[rbacus]

Regen on the Trygon had been (for me) the difference between dying in the second turn and living the whole game. Also I like/ have a lot of big guys, which usually means less small guys. My 5th edition list had something like 40 genestealers, but they got nerfed, so I'm giving my first shot at gaunts. The brood is 6 total.. getting him for more psychic powers. The cannons on the carnifex for a little variation. Yes about the adrenal glands... Any suggestions?

[wisdomseyes1]

Well, I suggest making your warriors a legal unit by putting boneswords on the strangler too (page 90)

If you like regen, I can't really suggest getting rid of it can I? I can say that with toxin sacs, I haven't found much increased use from them, ones don't come up often enough for the 10 points to be overly useful, in my opinion. (remember thats 1 wound and 3 shots in the gant unit)

The difference in the ranges of straglethorn and devourers make for completely different roles. I might suggest one going dual devourers and maybe using biovores if you have access to them instead of a carnifexen with straglethorn? I feel 3 spore mine launcher is better than straglethorn on carnifexen for backfield support. The added range and ability to be out of Los makes for great advantages.

10 devilgants may be good enough if they camp on objectives and take pot shots, but 10 hormagaunts isn't. The speed they get into combat isn't enough to deal with shooting and there is also an issue with over watch. They need more bulk.

[rbacus]

I don't understand what your saying about my warriors.. but if you misunderstood them I apologize. It's 3 with 2 boneswords each. I definitely agree with the hormagaunts.. maybe for the next tournament as I don't have them now. Thanks for the suggestions though. I'll definitely take all that into consideration though. Thank you.

[wisdomseyes1]

Jul 29, 2012 4:19:09 GMT rbacus said:

I don't understand what your saying about my warriors.. but if you misunderstood them I apologize. It's 3 with 2 boneswords each. I definitely agree with the hormagaunts.. maybe for the next tournament as I don't have them now. Thanks for the suggestions though. I'll definitely take all that into consideration though. Thank you.

Ah, yea, i misunderstood. I thought you were sting 2 of them had boneswords.

With tournament lists, it's hard to suggest things without the advantage of assuming infinite selection.

Also: @ hive; I haven't played a tournament sinse mid 5th, it would be nice if I wasn't the only one suggesting.

[squash]

I'd never dream of putting regeneration on my trygon, but if it works for you then of course do it.

The stranglethorn cannons though I can't imagine work, I'd just use two sets of brainleech devourers on each carnifex. Scything talons aren't a cost effective upgrade for genestealers, but if it's just for the broodlord it certainly is.

You've got some small squads, it could be worth ditching the Ymgarl to buff those squads up, or ditch the devourers on the termagants to keep them cheap, and try to get a Prime to stick in with the carnifex.

[reallysorry]

Seriously i hate those lists where people just put every model of a codex inside calling them all-comers or all-arounds tournament lists. I'd never use such a list in a tournament. And yes regen on Trygon and Stranglethorns on Carnifex are just wrong imho.

[leeroy1986]

HQ
Tervigon w/ cc, toxin sacs, adrenal glands, cat, ons

As nice as they are Hive Tyrants and Swarmlords are much better imo, besides you should always have this guy sat on objectives as troops

ELITES
6 ymgarl genestealers

Never really tried these guys, ive always chose Hive Guard Zoanthropes and the DoM as my elite slots. They don't seem too bad but there is always that problem of getting them out on the scenery.

TROOPS
10 hormagaunts w/ toxin sacs
6 genestealers w/ broodlord, toxin, scything talons
10 termagants w/ devourers
3 warriors w/ 2 boneswords, deathspitters, and toxin sacs

Not really a fan of Hormies since way back when. I can see them being nasty getting out of synapse and then getting rage, but 10 t3, 6+ save guys are so easy to dispose of.

Genestealers are alright but everytime I try them out, they get shot to ribbons. Devilgaunts, I need to get some of these myself, but really they are very expensive for what they do and for them to be effective I think you need a sporepod to drop them in.

Yeah warriors are nice, can't go wrong with them.

HEAVY SUPPORT
Trygon w/ toxin sacs, regen
2 carnifex w/ stranglethorn cannons, tw devourers.

Trygons are nice personally I wouldn't upgrade it at all, just get it out of synapse range, let it get raged up and charge in with an extra 2 attacks a piece, it's always fun.

Carnifexes the stranglethorn cannons could be good in this meta due to tanks not being very good anymore and the devourer's are very nice, as people said it's prolly best to go with 2 devourers and shoot down tanks and flyers out the sky and saturate squads with their fire. But I do rate strangelthorn cannons they aint too bad anymore.


The list is nice, it's cool that you're trying out all the Tyranid units in the new edition, but as far as tournaments go, if you make it in the top half of the tournament you've done well with this army

Leeroy

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Jul 29, 2012 4:26:48 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Also: @ hive; I haven't played a tournament sinse mid 5th, it would be nice if I wasn't the only one suggesting.

I actually did write something to this... But just as I was about to post it, it refreshed itself of some random reason and I rage-quited. xD

Ah well... Here we go again.

Okay, skipping through the list something gets pretty clear. This list needs a Tyranid prime. This is 1500 pt so we can't have all the units we want in the list. IMO, either the Warrior unit will have to go or the Carnifex unit will have to go (I will return to the fexes later). The Tyranid warriors need more bodies in that unit to work. 5 is a minimum IMO... And that's without the Tyranid Prime that should join them. Not so much because it buffs their BS and WS, but more because it can help the unit deal with S8+ that will kill a warrior if wounded, due to ID. Remember, the prime is an IC. So as long as you have something within 6" of it (let us say Termagants) you can allocate the wound on 2+ for each wound unto the Termagants... That's brilliant!
btw, as a general rule, go for Lash whip and bonesword over Dual boneswords.

If you take a prime, you will also be able to push the Tervigon down to the Troop section, which we all know only makes the Tervigon even better.

The Ymgarl unit do look a little thin. With Overwatch in the game you would want more bodies in that unit as well. Having the unit reduced to 4-3 Yealers, just ain't the best thing.

The Genestealer unit suffer from being a small unit as well, but to a much larger degree than the Ymgarls. Remember, Ymgarls can charge when they arrive. Genestealers however will have to be on the table a little longer if they want to reach anything at all... An with Overwatch, Those stealers won't be much of a threat.

Perhaps removing them would be a good idea, in order to free up some points... Since this list seriously needs some Ranged anti-vehicle units (like zoanthropes and/or Hive guards).

The Hormagaunt unit is... Well, as others have said... too small.

The regen on the Trygon just aren't wort it. Perhaps it will regen a wound, but to me, the regen upgrade just costs a little too much.

If you want to play with fexes, you probably consider having a prime join the unit. Like with the warriors, its main purpose is to soak up wounds. As a bonus, the Prime will count as T6 when its in the fex unit, since majority toughness in the unit will be 6. As a last thing... If you would want shooty fexes, then stick to two sets of tw Devours.

You obviously can't have all of it in your list... So something must go.

[rbacus]

Thanks a lot guys. Lotta criticism... and you have a good point. It does seem pretty buffet style.. I was just trying to get a good balance of shooting and assault, but I guess I sacrificed unit size a bit too much. I'll be sure to let you all know how it goes!!