trygons!?

[jofan32]

I always use a prime as i like the idea of choosing which target... sorry victims to go for next and the twelve shots have been very handy for me at times :-)

[N.I.B.]

Mindshackle Scarabs alone has made me not deploy Trygons in 6th ed.

[wisdomseyes1]

Jul 29, 2012 20:25:11 GMT N.I.B. said:

Mindshackle Scarabs alone have made me not deploy Trygons in 6th ed.

Well, then I am glad my necron friend stopped playing in 5th out of pure and utter rage.

From what I have heard, tervigan has started to replace the trygons role anyway

Maybe they are a reason to take the Prime upgrade? I mean 3D6 leadership is a massive speedbump, but hey.

Dark eldarr were the reason I had a hard time with bringing trygons in recent days, but I havent really stopped quite yet.

[maeloke]

I'm just saying, the circumstances it takes to usefully Rage a trygon are too rare to be worth treating as an advantage to weigh against the Prime upgrade, especially when all you net is +1 attack on the assault.

Think about it. You need your Trygon:
1. Outside of synapse
2. Outside of combat
3. In assault range
4. Have a target you were going to assault anyhow (i.e. if you werent going to charge normally, +1 attack is NOT incentive to do so)

And then, providing you meet all those requirements, you have to fail a test on leadership 8, which you'll do about 28% of the time.

[wisdomseyes1]

@maelok: I agree with you. Rage wont come up often enough to be worthwile, but it IS something.

My argument hasnt changed though. 40 points to get extra shots on a gun, synapse (which it itself doesnt need because of rage.) SitW (something that is pretty army specific to Grey knights with force weapons, but otherwise wont actually come up often enough because you will seldom be close enough) and +2 leadership (which until earlier today I though to be useless, but mindshakle scarabs are something to consider)


On the opposite end of the spectrum, and I just realized this now, a Trygon prime is a character (it is an upgraded member of the squad with a separate profile) so, it should have access to look out sir and challenges. Correct me if I am wrong, but as I read it it looks like that is something that got added. I mean, its 4+ for its look out sir, but still, its something.

[killme304]

Trygons can't ever be in a squad, so he can't ever LO,S. It would only come up in challenges, and I would still think that he wouldn't become a character. You can't apply the part where they talk about Mephiston (in reguards to lone characters), because if you use that logic, all MCs are characters, which the back of the book does not align with.

That would actually be very bad for a Trygon most times anyway (unless its something lame like a powerfist sergent). See MMS for why being a character isn't always a good thing in combat.

[wisdomseyes1]

Does Los! Not say allocate it to a model within 6"?

I am not applying Mephistob (who is uninique, which is where his characterless comes up) I am referring to "space marine veterans" and "ork nobz" where it states that models who have a separate profile are considered characters.

[amareis]

wisdomseyes1: killme304 is right. You can't do LO,S.

Why? Because there is no other squad member within 6" to assign the wound to. He is alone in his squad and cannot become a squad since IC's cant join a trygon.

If you check the unit reference in the back we only have 3 characters. Broodlord, Hive Tyrant (this includes Swarmlord as he behaves as a Hive Tyrant in every respect as stated in our codex) and the Tervigon.

If he does indeed become a character through a FAQ he will only benefit from precision shots/hits.

[wisdomseyes1]

Oh cool, it actually lists what units are characters in every army.

[Deleted]

Yeah, we are the most character-less army in the game. Fits th fluff but screws out of the tactics these new rules open up.

[wisdomseyes1]

Jul 30, 2012 15:58:49 GMT @60mm said:

Yeah, we are the most character-less army in the game. Fits th fluff but screws out of the tactics these new rules open up.

Well, counting our IC's we have 5. We have always been "character less"

I always defined characters as upgraded models and unique characters because that's what it says in the character section. Good to know they list it.