trygons!?

[picklesuprise88]

So im getting my first Trygon on Thursday. Im trying to decide if the points are worth making him a Prime. All it does is make his LD 10...

A Mawloc is definently out of the question though.

Thanks!

[mhqvick]

a trygon prime is a synapse creature and have shadow in the warp, and ithave 12 shots insted of 6 (page 50)

it is hard to say if it is worth making him a prime, it depends on the list you are using.

magnetise the model, that is totally worth it.

[madman37]

I use magnets for all of my MCs. The Trygon can be magnetized as well. Personally I wouldn't make it a Prime unless your list lacks synapse.

[coredump]

You kind of want it to Rage for the extra attack. But that is only on the charge... have to weigh that against the extra shooting and SitW.

I would probably save the 40pts, but it could go either way.

[DarkGuard]

Just build it normally, maybe use some of the Prime parts if you like them better (I used the Prime tail, like the rattlesnake feel, but normal mandibles and carapace, as I didn't like the studs on the carapace or the big mandibles). Pay for whichever one you want and tell and use your opponent which one your using etc. The differences in the models are near minimal anyway that no one will notice.

As to whether to buy the upgrade, it really does depend. Rage is nice, and you still have Fearless, so you individually you don't want to upgrade. But Shadow in the Warp is now pretty good anti-psychic defence, and having an advanced creature with it could be handy. Same with synapse in general, if you have some faster units that want it (like non Fearless units, especially those with Lurk), it could be handy to give it to the Trygon. So it'll depend on what else is in your army.

[Bot]

I would say that it would depend on the list. If the list lagged synapse, then the 40 pt upgrade to make the Trygon a prime... Well... It might not be that silly then. Normally I try to keep my Trygons as cheap as possible since they practically serve as bullet magnets... But then again, much is depending on the list.

Also, I agree with DarkGuard. Just build it the way you want it. As long as you tell your opponent what it is at the start of the game.

[Deleted]

The model difference between prime and non-prime is so small that most players wouldn't know unless you told them, I'd build it how you wish. If some refuses to let you play it as either or, demand they show you every grenade and possible option on every model of theirs

[wisdomseyes1]

Honestly shadow in the warp didnt improve much... Psychic hoods are just a lot less powerful.

You still need to be close, and that still does give the opponent a few turns to cast powers without issues. Last edition shadow in the warp didnt come up often enough for it to be noteworthy, and after 15 or so games with Tyranids so far (now using tervigans offensively because it works so well, odd) I have yet to see a suggificant impact (a librarian one time took SitW but passed.

That said, comparatively it is good psychic defense, sinse everything has psychic defense now.

As for the prime upgrade, I don't particularly like it. It is a massive amount of points for what can be considered a drawback and a useless boon (no rage and extra shots)

THOUGH! Now that there is no running and assaulting, the argument that it will never shoot anyway has become somewhat invalidated. It is still a good idea to run more than it is to shoot, get to combat faster regardless.

[killme304]

Quite honestly, Shadow in the Warp only ever seems to come up for other bugs, for eldar that tao or DE take as allies, or GK. GK really hates it, and most bug lists would have trouble with it just because we get so many psykers naturally. If your upgrading to prime, you only really need to do it if you need more synapse.

[maeloke]

As others have said, the Prime upgrade is visually insignificant, so build the model you think looks coolest.

That rage bonus everyone is talking about is hogwash on a trygon. 40% chance to score a single extra attack on the assault is trivial; pick the prime if you want more effective shooting pre-assault, SitW coverage, or extra forward synapse to help your gargoyles keep it together. Never ever think the Feed rules are an incentive for not upgrading the unit, because they aren't.

[coredump]

Thats ridiculous, of course Feed is an incentive to not upgrade. An extra attack is pretty darn useful. And you get it for *not* spending points... the best kind of 'upgrade'.
And part of it is that even if you don't rage, you are not harmed by it. Meaning the synapse from Prime is no longer as much of a benefit as it was previously.

That does not mean that it is the *only* reason to upgrade or not.. but it is one incentive. Just like saving points is an incentive to not upgrade. Just like SitW is an incentive to upgrade.

[vecuu]

I advice using some pieces from both a regular and a Prime when building your first Trygon. Usually, I advise the large Prime mandibles and the barbed Trygon tail. That way he can be either and nobody will argue with you.

I, on the other hand, built him 100% Prime, because I liked the vibe it gave off. Huge fangs with a rattler makes a scary snake, so to speak. But I never use him as a Prime, and have never had a complaint (even ran him as a regular Trygon in a local Rouge Trader tournament with no issues). Like was mentioned earlier, visually, most players won't notice the difference. It will, however, matter whenever you get your second Trygon and whether or not they are both the same (Prime or not).

[picklesuprise88]

Ok so I have decided to make him half prime, half regular. (Thanks to DarkGuard!) The Synapse will be worth the points, because trygon will be leading my assault team (Genestealers, hormagaunts, and occasionly hive tyrant.) So looking at other posts around the hive, gargoyles look pretty good. I'll get those next. Thanks everybody!!!!!

[creep]

Prime is better but more expensive.

as all of you seem to forget you forfeit shooting if you go in Berserk mode. Yes A MW 8 Trygon might have a bonus attack in CC. But he loses his 6 shots S5 for it. A Prime with 12 shots definitely isn't bothered by the fact that he sometimes doesn't get those 40% chance to get a "lucky" bonus attack...the argument is just ridiculous.
A luckshot taking out the Melta guy in front of a Marine squad if you pass your test is much more considerable, but still insignificant.

[Tempests Wrath]

Sometimes it is worth it, sometimes it is not.

Thats pretty much it, the rest is flavor. Do you want rage? or do you want a couple extra shots w/synapse?

I usually roll freakishly well on my leadership. So.. I havent got him to rage. I have got to use 12 shots instead of 6 before, it was fun, but not exactly necessary.

Personally If i have the points i will usually run him as a prime, as my list is rather synapse light (eff any other reason). Otherwise I probably wouldnt.