Psyker Timing

[omnivore]

I was reading that belssings and such have to be done at the start of the psyker's movement phase. Does that mean a psyker has to use their power and then do their movement? For instance a Tervigon would bless itself with Endurance, then would have to spawn gaunts and then move afterwards, all the while going 1st in the turn. In other words does the use of blessings/maledictions force the psyker to move before other models in the army?

[killme304]

I have been playing it that you must decide if your doing a blessing/malediction, roll for them, then after you resolve all of the ones you want, you then can make moves. Its almost like a sub-step.

That's how my store does it anyway.

[fragile]

Yes the blessings say at the start of the movement phase. (pg68) so you will need to decide what you want to do before you move. Note, it's beginning of psyker's movement phase, not player's. So you can move the psyker whenever you wish to do so during your movement phase.

The Tervigon example is correct except for the going first in the turn. Blessing, spawn, move. Note that spawn guants states that it is done before the Tervigon moves, while the blessing is start of the Psyker's movement phase.

[coredump]

All blessing/mals go at the beginning of the movement phase. So all of them will go before any models are moved.

[omnivore]

Cool, I had thought it had worked that way. Thanks guys!

[fragile]

Jul 27, 2012 4:56:19 GMT coredump said:

All blessing/mals go at the beginning of the movement phase. So all of them will go before any models are moved.

Ok Core, support this statement. Page 68 states its Pskyer's movement not players, so how are you getting beginning of all movement?

[voraciousapathy]

Is the Psyker playing the game? No? Who does the Psyker belong to? You? Okay, so before "the Psyker's" movement phase must mean "Before the player who own's the Psyker's movement phase", and they just put "Psyker's" because it's shorter, and they believed people would have brains enough to figure out what they meant -- Oooooh.. That's the problem.

Too much faith in people.

Yeah. You do all your powers around the same time as Reserves pop up. Then you spawn. Then you move. You hopeless mooks.

[fragile]

Voracious why dont you and Akaiyou go hang out together, since you obviously have similiar issues. That remark was for Core, who can put together a logical statement supporting his ideas. But its good to know that you exactly what GW is thinking. Why should we even have this forum, we can just have a ask Voracious forum.

Strange that in the same paragraph as "the Psyker's", it mentions "the Pskyer's allies". Since "the Psyker" is me according to you, who is "the Psyker's" allies?

I'd rather be a hopeless mook rather than a jackass.

[coredump]

Jul 27, 2012 15:35:15 GMT fragile said:

Jul 27, 2012 4:56:19 GMT coredump said:

All blessing/mals go at the beginning of the movement phase. So all of them will go before any models are moved.

Ok Core, support this statement. Page 68 states its Pskyer's movement not players, so how are you getting beginning of all movement?

There is nothing in the rules indicating that each model gets its own movement phase, there is only one phase per turn. So the Tervigons movement phase is the same as the Tyrants movement phase.

It is just a way to indicate that it does not happen again on the opponents turn.

[fragile]

Using the word "your" would have indicated that you can't use it on the opponent's turn. They specify "Psyker" which is a unit type. I think that the word "phase" is like the "partially hidden" in the cover save argument, too much emphasis is being put on it.

Using all of the powers at the start of the movement phase would go against the basic premise of "pick a model and complete your movement with it". It would allow exploits based on which powers did or did not go off, which I do not think is the intent here. It in essence creates a psychic power phase before the movement phase.

[voraciousapathy]

They have introduced "sub-phases" and God knows whatever else in this new edition, but it's a fancy way of saying, "Use all of your powers before you do anything else".

You make no real sense, so I get to make fun of you. This, in particular:

"Using all of the powers at the start of the movement phase would go against the basic premise of "pick a model and complete your movement with it". It would allow exploits based on which powers did or did not go off, which I do not think is the intent here."

It has all the elements of someone being clueless and just typing things. It's vague, and uses words like "exploits" and "premise" to make itself appear to be a sound conclusion, but it doesn't actually say anything if you really pay attention to it. I'll dumb it down for you, though: Use all of the new Psychic Powers before any of your models move.

It's that easy.

And a word of advice: when a predator sinks its teeth into prey, it tends to be messier for the prey if it squirms.

Just accept your fate quietly.

[coredump]

"Blessings are manifested at the start of the Psyker's Movement phase. "

How else could they have worded that statement?

If they leave off Psyker's, then it could be any movement phase, either player.

they could have said "Player's movement phase", but then which player?
"Psyker's Player's movement phase" but now we are just getting cumbersome.
etc.

"start of your movement phase"... maybe; but 'you' don't manifest them, the psyker does; so it sounds kind of awkward.


But it comes down to the fact that there is only 1 movement phase. There is not one phase for each model.
If they wanted it the way you say, they would have worded it like the tervigon Spawn ability, just manifest before moving.
But they worded it like IB tests, which all happen at the beginning of the phase, before any movement occurs.

Lots of stuff have their own 'mini-phase', such as reserves... Eldar spells have always worked like this.

[voraciousapathy]

Precisely. And if they had allowed you to use the new powers at any time during the movement phase, you could do ridiculous things like Swoop 24'' and fire off a Malediction with a 24'' range on Turn 1, which goes against the new theme of 6e: "Make Turn 1 somewhat safer".

[fragile]

Precisely. And if they had allowed you to use the new powers at any time during the movement phase, you could do ridiculous things like Swoop 24'' and fire off a Malediction with a 24'' range on Turn 1, which goes against the new theme of 6e: "Make Turn 1 somewhat safer".

This statement shows you have no idea whats being discussed Voracious.

And a word of advice: when a predator sinks its teeth into prey, it tends to be messier for the prey if it squirms.

Just accept your fate quietly.

Seriously? Are you like 13 or something? I bet you jumped up and high fived yourself for such an eloquent post.

Whether I agree with Core or not, when he makes an argument he can support it using rules, so that everyone can see where he comes from rather than your innate ranting. So please, if you cannot make a logical argument, save your adolescent keyboard rage for someone else.

[voraciousapathy]

Ah-ha. Questioning my age, and then complimenting a foe when outnumbered -- That's some strategy, there.

But seriously -- there's no confusion or anything with the wording -- "the psyker's movement phase" is the same as "The Hive Tyrant's next turn" in regards to the wording on Paroxysm. When a model is referenced in regards to turn, it means "owning player's turn". Kudos on the indignation and outrage, though. I can tell I'm going to have a lot of fun with you.

I'll be in touch!