6th Edition: More questions?

[spud81]

Hi all,

Sorry i'm struggling with the new 6th edition changes. Got a few more questions for specific units.

Are genestealer and warriors any good in the new rules?

And are lictors any good? Or are they just suicide units still?

One last thing do most people run with tervigons? Because I haven't used one yet.

My old list used to be:

Tyrant x2 guard
Prime

Zoanthrope

Warrior brood
Genestealers with broodlord
Horm x 20
Term x 20

Trygon

The main thing i used ot struggle with was tanks and really shooty armies, but i used to out flank stealers and use them and the trygon together.

Any help? Thanks all

[killme304]

Genestealers can't outflank and charge in the same turn anymore. Really, Genestealers suck in 6th unless its a Broodlord commando unit. Either that, or you field a huge brood of them, but that gets unnecessarily expensive points wise.

Vehicles are much easier to pop with hull points. Horms with AG will glance a tank to death fairly easily.

Warriors + Prime is better in 6th, but mostly because the Prime gives you LO,S to play crazy wound tricks so its harder to lose whole Warriors (also works well with carnifexen and the good old deathstar formations).

Termagants got better, but only because shooting as a whole got better.

[spud81]

Cheers for the advice

- Also what about carnifex's in 6th? I've seen a lot of people talk about putting a prime in with 2 fexes?? I presume wound allocation purposes?

- What about if i swap out the broodlords powers for some of the new ones?

My normal points limit is 1000 and I usually play against tau, dark eldar and GK any hints? WIth either dread knights or massed fire warriors? I think a few of the guys are getting some Necrons and i've been told they are proper b@d@ss??

[coredump]

The real problem Spud, is no one can be sure at this point.

Stealers definitely took some hits, I used to run 4 broods, and will likely stick with one, or maybe none, in the future. But who knows. It might turn out the the BLord powers are good enough that it makes up for it. (Keep to trade... another issue that can go either way)
I think folks agree that they are not as valuable as they were before, but I don't think you need to completely shelve them without trying them out.

I don't see anything that would make Lictors any better than they were last edition.
Perhaps being able to wreck a vehicle via hull points....

Warriors, I think are worth taking another look at. If Plasma becomes more prevalent, over melta, then that helps a lot (S7 over S8) Also, if we are seeing fewer vehicles, we may see less S8+ weaponry in general. Plus.... since folks can glance vehicles to death, high output S6 may be more useful than one shot S8.
And, as mentioned, being able to play Wound games with the Prime helps a *lot*.
I am trying them out.
And if the rules stay as they are, and don't get FAQ-changed, then Shrikes have a really powerful HoW attack. (But I think there is a decent change that gets FAQd)

Tervigons got better. Scoring units got more important, Swapping out Psy powers, use of Smash Attack, availability of CCLaws, lack of No Retreat wounds, guants and Tervis making good Overwatch sponges. All of this makes them more useful. I almost never ran them in 5E, I will almost always run at least one in 6E.

I really like HGaunts and Gargs (with AG) for wrecking transports and killing everything inside. But that may end up not working as well as I hope.

Fexes are still overpriced. But they are a great way of getting lots of S6 shots, good for lots of targets. (Especially if Enfeebled) And with the Prime... even better.


But, as I started with, I can support all of this pretty well; and may still be shaking my head in 12 months when different meta develops.