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[spud81]

Hi all again,

Comments and improvements most welcome:

HQ

Flyrant TL/D hive commander

Troops

Tervigon a/g
Termagant x 15
Hormagaunt x 15
Hormagaunt x 15
Genestealers x 6

Heavy Support

Trygon Prime

I think this is a little over 1000 (1020) so need to drop a few gaunts i think? First problem i can think of is not enough synapse some maybe drop a whole brood of hormagaunts for a zoanathrope? anyway basic idea was to out flank a tervigon and start spawning new broods close to the opposition, then use the two broods of hormagaunts to charge the enemy and the flyrant was to basically fly about killing anything it can.

Any comments and help would be most helpful, especially with the synapse issue. Myabe 3 monsterous creatures at 1000 points is a bit much or maybe a normal hive tyrant would be better with a tyrnat guard? RIght waffle over any help please?

Thanks all

[wisdomseyes1]

You don't need the synapse from the prime in this list, being as small as it is. The extra gunshots mean little. And rage is a good thing (keep hormagaunts in synapse anyway unless you want then to run away)

What exactly do you define as "enough synapse"? At 1000 points you have a FMC and a 6 wound MC as synapse. Gene stealers don't need synapse nearly as much as other units, termagants are safe, heck you didnt purchase any psychic powers on the tervigan so it still has dominion on a worst case senerio.

I mean, yea, I guess you would have synapse issues for a while of your only synapse outside your FMC is not even on the table.

To be perfectly honest, I don't like your list. Your inesting so much into the tyrant and trygon, using a tervigan with no offensive upgrades in an offensive manner and not purchasing defensive abilities that will increase the lastibility of your models, your purchasing an upgrade to deal with synapse problems that I can not see (unless you aren't working your unis together and based on the strategy I see presented it doesnt look like you are) and still concerned about synapse problems after easily dominating massive amounts of the board per model, and your units don't really seem like they would work well together.

I think if you are conserned about synapse, trade in the tyrant for a pair of tyranid primes. At lower points they are more reliable, and being IC's are a bit more survivable. You can place them with your gants to use the look out sir for extra wounds on them, regen to keep them healthy, and lw/bs to dominate in close combat. You will also gain about 50 points extra from dropping it down to a pair of primes (look at the primes and tell me your not impressed) no, you won't be able to outflank your tervigon anymore but you will be able to have it hold objectives and make an impact more quickly.

The set up you have now, if you go second they WILL get first blood and kill the warlord, it's not going to be hard. If you have models that aren't likely to die right away, you will have a greater chance. An if you don't move 24" on your first move with the tyrant if you go first, you will equally have a hard time.

With new rage rules, hormagaunts are no longer just plain unreliable, so I can't just say they will chase rhinos all game cause they won't anymore. But I do wonder, are you remembering that it is almost totally a game of objectives? That you need to hold back and move forward simotaniously to win? It's like a game of capure the (please do not swear) and with your gameplan I'm wondering what your thinking on the part of actually capturing it.

Also, 6 genestealers, they are there for...? Seems like a free kill to me

[spud81]

Ok quick revision.

What if I dropped the hive commander and the stealers for a zoanathrope and added another power to the tervigon? And then used the flyrant and trygon together and before they are wiped out the rest of the army will get to the enemy lines?

[herodotus]

try more along the lines of this:

tyranid primes x1 or 2 (preferably 2)

tervigon (as many as possible)
Termagants (whatever the tervigons need)
Hormagaunts (any leftover points, if you don't have enough for a reasonable squad, more Tgants)
genestealers (one squad, at least 8)

Trygon (1, not prime)


And to be completely honest, dropping a fifth of your points into a Trygon (let alone a quarter for a Trygon prime) feels a little ridiculous. Are you expecting someone to only have heavy bolters?

Also, in your revision, it sounds like you expect to do everything with your trygon and Flyrant. Don't do that. Use everything you have.
Dont let your enemy exterminate your bugs piecemeal. It will happen. a flyrant and Trygon are good, but can't fight against 1000points alone.

Also, you seem to really want zoanthroapes. Do you expect to see land raiders? If so, zoans might be a pretty good idea. Remember, however, that you have a little of MCs, that can deal with those tanks, and once they're gone, Zoans lose their flare (IMO). Not to mention, when you're staring at a sea of GEQ, and you put a zoan down, you just feel silly.

[hivedevastation]

Zoenthropes are useful. A brood of three could have different psychic powers. Have one with the standard Hive Mind powers (Warp Blast, Warp Lance), and give the other two powers from the Biomancy, Telekinesis, and/or Telepathy charts. Yes it is a die roll and you may not get the power you want. However, it may give ones swarm a new way to disrupt your opponents plans.

[spud81]

Sorry for the late reply busy working -

Ok by how about:

Prime x 2

Zoanathrope

Tervigon with at least 1 extra power
Termagants x 20
Hormagants x 20
Genestealers x 8

Trygon

That's just under a 1000 points. Any comments? Not sure about what powers to use??

[spud81]

Cheers for looking all

[wisdomseyes1]

Catalyst. Feel no pain keeps itself alive from missiles, giving it a chance to live, and cover is easy. The combination of the 2 will help it live. Or you could put it on gants if your opponent isn't shooting your tervigon, Or the trygon to keep it alive because it seems more threatening. Ext ext. the list looks like it would work, but I would like to see TS on the hormagaunts. Might be good to drop the size of the genestealers to make a brood lord that rolls on telepathy.

One prime with the zoanthrope and one prime with gants? One of these things does not belong: a single zoanthrope, or in the case of this list, the double prime. There isnt much the primes can effectively attach to.

I Would drop one of the primes, put lw/bs/TS/regen on one and attach it to the gants for the extra wounds. Take up to 2 (i usually just go with one) wounds and LOS! everything else, using regen to put those wounds back, then split of before combat and use the gants to take an objective/ contest an objective/ get behind enemy lines (the victory point)/ or even stay with the prime for look out sir.

[spud81]

i'll re work the points tonight and see what i can do.

Do you have any experience with warriors in 6th edition? I've got a full brood of 9 + a prime to lead them?

I usually play against dark eldar (massed splinter cannons) tau (with guess what massed fire warriors) or imperial forces of either grey knoghts or marines of some sort. There is usually something that i cant get rid of like land raider or dread knight. I was thinking of trading the warp fire power from the zoanathrope (keep the tank busting one) for a biomancy one?

sorry for all the questions.

Cheers for the help.

[wisdomseyes1]

Dark eldar just plain annoy me. Tau have gotten better to, but I don't find them to be impossible at all, I still consistently win against them... Mass poison shooting though, with close combat skills too?! (my de players I know use wych cults, true born, and a combo of raiders and venoms... Sadly wych cults don't really work as well anymore, because they can't just zoom across the board, move, and assault.)

My Experiance with warriors this edition has been short lived. They didnt die, but they didn't do much that my gants weren't already doing, which is my issue wih them.

If you look at the wording on exchanging psychic powers carefully, you will see that if you chose to exchange, you exchange all your powers, not a mix of them. You can mix and match with disciplines, but can not use tyranid psychic powers in tandem. And zoanthropes don't benefit from biomancy much. I would suggest rolling on telepathy (for puppet master) if you do choose to exchange.

[spud81]

Ok thanks I didn't realise you have to swap out all the powers I'll have a read. Does anyone know the primiris power is for telepathy? (excuse my bad spelling)

Again cheers for the help