Nids in 6th Ed

[dakkalad]

What's good and whats not? And why?

I made this to help my friend out, he's just getting started and he's playing Nids(me I play orks with space wolf allies, which are also orks ;P Sorry you guys can't take allies, it kinda sucks ))

Anyways can someone give me a list of the units like this(I'll use an ork as an example):

Big Mek: Still a viable option in 6th, especially with KFF or SAG.
Good: Great on teh back lines in a Battlewagon, with an escourt of lootas, or footslogging with grots and boyz to cap objectives.
Bad: Still just a nob.

(I'm not sure how accurate that is, but you get the idea)

I don't know how to play nids, so I'm not sure what works with their dynamic, he read something online that told him what stuff sucks but I've read through the codex, and two things: 1. I'm not sure I agree with whoever wrote the article, and 2. The army dynamic may have changed greatly in 6th ed(What with not running and assaulting on the same turn). So some advice to make him a better player, and a with a better army woudl be great(I don't want to be able to beat him ALL the time you know! )

His list is pretty weedy atm:

1x Tyranid Prime(Converted from a warrior by yours truly)
1x Trygon Prime
16x Genestealers(Scything Talons, Rending Claws, Adrenal, Poison)
?? Hormagaunts (Not sure the numbers but they are small)
?? Termagaunts(NOt sure the exact numbers, but they are small)

He pretty much spams poison on everything, which after he tore appart my space wolf Calvary with thunder shields, seems brutal with the talons: Rerolling 1s, and then rerolling to wounds? Jebus. Mean.

[nidtastic]

I wont give a lot of advice, just stuff mainly on his general list. So Genestealers are still really good and are one of our best CC unit. But with new outflanking rules we cant assault from reserves so if he runs them they will get gunned down. I have heard people are Infiltrating them but I just kinda dropped them completely. When I did use them I only put poison. He has WAY to many upgrades on the Genestealers, Id recommend he takes of the Adrenal Glands and Scything talons. If he doesn't want to drop the scything talons, than just take off the adrenal glands. But he should definitely keep the TS. Really there is few units to stay away from and he is so he shouldn't have to worry. Popular units in our codex are Trygons, Tervigons, and Hive guard. I personally run a CC list of Trygons, Hormagaunts, Gargoyles, Flyrant etc. Really it just depends on the style of nids he wants to play. At the moment though he seems to be on the right track. Hope this helped!

[wisdomseyes1]

Take off prime on the trygon. Extra shots aren't worth it and rage is all the... Well rage right now.

Scything talons are not, and have never been, worth the points on gene stealers. Adrenal glands lost next to all their popularity this edition, the loss of the initiative hurt its usability. We liked it because it made the opponent lose a lot of attacks if we charged them because gants and trygons initiative was only meeting the opponents. The extra strength won't help much on genestealers, as S5 only on the charge means very little to vehicles and infantry are scared of being charged by a small group of gene stealers with no upgrades.

Toxin sacs are pricy, an not needed, but do in fact help with damage output. It's on you what to choose, but you can get more models with ts.

I never liked hormagaunts. They got slightly better with rage being a boon now, but you still need to keep them in synapse for fearless for the most part. With the lack of running and assault, they are just as effective at getting to combat quickly as every model with fleet, so I am not really impressed by them still.

Termagants are termagants. They arent bad, but without a tervigan or doubling their price they aren't good for anything but fodder an walls.

[fleetofclaw]

Like others said, the upgrades on the stealers is too much. That is an insanely expensive T4 5+ model. If you want uberatealers convert them to ymgarls.

He's got a good start, the main question is what style army does he want? Pyschic circus, need for speed, nidzilla, swarm, shooty etc? I think the only real must have regardless of list style is the tervigon. Thanks to smash, the new and improved poison, and the psychic disciplines, they are combat beasts along with their huge utility, scoring ability, and gant pooping.

I personally tend to run faster lists with a winged tyrant, shrikes, gargoyles, raveners, Trygon, along with tervigons and stealers (toxin sacs and broodlord) in the troops spots.

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[dakkalad]

Thanks guys, not bad advise, I've passed it along.

But its still not quite what I'm looking for... I need to knwo more about how useful units are, so that I can help him figure out where to go from here.

I'm considering building him some ripper swarms, for some cheap thrills. But what kind? D: