450 pts "combat patrol"

[sgraz]

Hello all fellow tentacles of hive fleet.

I´m new on this discussion board but been playing wh40k from 4th edition. I have been reading these forums now few years and now 6th edition rules finally forced me to register.

I´m going to participate a small tournament with my friends and it will be loosely related to old combat patrol rules.

Major differences are these:

Limited FOC:

1 HQ
1-3 Troop
1-2 Elite and/or Fast
0 Heavy
0 Terrain
0 Fortifications

Scoring units: All others except vehicles, swarms and those units who say that they can´t be scoring units. Allies are allowed. (This one I don´t get it. Maybe some lists could benefit from this?)

So finally to the question. What kind of list you would choose? I know that there is gonna be lots of meq with some teq support in most lists. Then probably necron, ork and ig list or two.

There will be mixed scenarios, some with kill points, some with objectives.

I have now ended to this list:

HQ
Tyranid Prime, LW + BS, DS 100 pts

Troops
4 Genestealers and Broodlord 116 pts
15 Termagaunts 75 pts
10 Termagaunts 50 pts

Fast
18 Gargyles w/TS 108 pts

This would give me quite a lot of wounds but killing power would be mainly gargoyles, prime and broodlord + genestealers. Opponents probably start shooting gargoyles and stealers so this would hopefully make them split their shooting. Smaller termagant unit to keep objectives. Bigger termagant unit with prime to support other units.

I have thought that I lack synapse from this list and been thinking should I add warrior squad or zoanthrope. This list probably will do fine against small meq+teq armies but necrons or IG will probably cause some problems.

What are your thoughts?

Sgraz =)

[marmotzero]

Can you take a tervigon? I feel like a tervigon would be total win in this list... feel no pain would be really nice, and being able to spawn scoring termagant squads would be amazing in a 450 point game. The AG buff would allow your gaunts to glance armor 10 in CC.

If I were making a 450 list, I would run:

Tervigon - 195
AG
TS
Catalyst

Broodlord + 4 stealers - 116

Gargoyles x 14 - 84

Gaunts x 10 - 50

Having the tervigon giving S4 to your gaunts (plus its own smash attacks) would kill transports much faster. You would lose some MeQ killing ability not having the prime, but hopefully you'd make up for that with buffed gaunts. If your opponent is going to be shooting the gargoyles, I say don't upgrade them... give them feel no pain from the tervigon instead. Run them straight at the enemy with Feel No Pain, then have the genestealers come into LoS on turn 2 once their front shooting unit is tied up.

If the opponent has enough heavy weapons to seriously threaten the tervigon at range, consider swapping FnP over.

That's my style... I think your list is pretty good too though =)

[marmotzero]

I'm short 5 points, throw another gaunt in there!

[warischoy]

Tyranids can't play in combat patrol if I can remember correctly. >2 wound models aren't allowed so there will be no synapse for us apart from zoanthropes.

Sorry about that but there isn't even any legal HQ you can use

[ilnar]

Only if you use the old (4th? ) Ed rules.
There are updated ones in battlemissions I think it was.

[Jabberwocky]

Tervigon is definitely the way forward in small games, next to nothing will bring it down. Especially if you get lucky biomancy rolls.

LW/BS prime, troop Terv, gants, then some Zoans or HG is probably our optimal list for most scenarios.

[Major Chrispy]

HQ
Tervi w/TS, AG, Cata, ST

Troops
Tervi w/TS, AG, Cata, ST
Termagaunts x10

450 Pts

[sgraz]

This is our own "Combat patrol". There is Kill Team rules in Battle Missions book. They work too quite nicely.

In this combat patrol, there is no wound limitation or other limitations what were in 4th edition rule book version. So many codexes now have three wound hq that it wont work.

Good ideas there. I have been playing with that tervigon idea and DoM list. I think I first give one tervigon list a try or two before confirming my list.

Im only bit worried that IF tervigon stops spawning on round 1, that would kinda suck a bit but well, still I would have one more unit of termagaunts out.

Thanks guys, I run some games and keep you posted.

Sgraz =)

[killme304]

Lets say you rolled average (3d6 average is 10.5, so lets say 10 for arguments sake), even if you go dry turn 1, you have 50 more points of "stuff" then the opponent. That's 11% (rounded down again) more than everyone else. The more times you spawn, the more ridiculous the advantage becomes. Two tervigons would not only be next to impossible to kill for non-GK players, you get an average of 22% more stuff than them each and every turn that neither goes dry.

[sgraz]

Okay. Had a test run yesterday with tervigon lists. I completely forgot our FOC limitation that I MUST have one fast or elite choice in list too. But I dropped some points and added cheapest option what I could find, 3 sporemines. (Fun part, sporemine killed one spacewolf with meltagun and mark of the wulfen, they even paid their points back.)

So list was:

HQ
Tervigon, Catalyst (Biomancy in all matches)

Troop
Tervigon, AG, TS, Catalyst (Biomancy in one match)
10 Termagaunts

Fast
3 Sporemines

Well, I would say that after three games against orks and space wolves... It was not a match, it wasn´t even remotely fun in third match. It was butchering the sheep.

There was average 40-50 termagants left when game ended and not a scratch in tervigons. This list really lacks MEQ and TEQ support but tervigon can just walk in there to help some when termagants tie them down. In two matches tervigon got few wounds but got them back thanks to endurance and life leech psychic powers. We counted that space wolves managed to kill around 40 termagants in one match but does it matter when there will be more..

Endless swarm... Right.. Just take few tervigons and few more if you feel unsure.

I better think other options or my dear friends will not ever want to play with me. ;D

Maybe with one tervigon...

[killme304]

By my math your over by 15 points.

If you are forced to have a FA or HS, you might have to drop a tervigon anyway then, you just can't support 2 with extra requirements. This would let you take DoM, some Hive Guard or Zoans, or gargoyles/raveners instead of mines.

[Deleted]

Packing Tervigons into a friendly 450 combat patrol campaign sounds too much to me, I'd bring it up with your friends first. If I were running a campaign that small I'd bar MCs.