Psyker heavy 2000 p list

[martinivv]

I'm very curious if it's possible to do a 2000 p heavy psyker comp list for nids. I like that theme so it would be fun if it's possible. I have made a first draft of a core section of psykers that form the base of the army, you can then ad additional units.

2 Flyrants, wings, 2xdevourer
3 Zoan
2 Tervigons, 3 powers ( Troops)
2 Broodlords (each with a stealer unit)

This section will cost around 1100 points (incl 100 p gaunts). You can then ad Hive guards, stealers, gargoyles etc.

What's your thoughts, I'm I on the right track or not?

Any thoughts are welcome!

[paxmiles]

Well, for psyker heavy, I'd go a different direction.

Something like:
HQ 2 tervs
Elites 9 zoans
Troops 6 units of 5 genestealers with brood lords

Total is 1556pts at this stage. I'm looking at 17 psykers with a single FOC.

But as far as psyker heavy lists being competitive, that one is going to dramatically depend on the opponent. If they have good psychic defense, or methods of denying your leadership, they could cripple your force before the game begins.

Also, if talking about randomly rolling powers from the new disciplines, that is another key variable that your force could suffer from.

I personally think the new psyker rules, especially the changes to psychic hoods, will make it less effective to have sheer numbers of psychic powers and psykers. It will probably be more effective to focus on 1-5 good psykers supported by a main army that can quickly deal with anti-psychic threats.
-Pax

[martinivv]

It would be cool to go with 17 psykers but as you say it's not very competitive, e.g. too few AT units. I'm not convinced that the new hood rules make it harder for nids, e.g. buffs powers can't be cancelled now.

[paxmiles]

Jul 22, 2012 19:01:50 GMT martinivv said:

It would be cool to go with 17 psykers but as you say it's not very competitive, e.g. too few AT units. I'm not convinced that the new hood rules make it harder for nids, e.g. buffs powers can't be cancelled now.

The blessings not being subject to the hood is a major boon.

The new hoods have great potential to hurt 'nids, at least against 'nids' offensive powers. Issue is that SM are very easily able to get level 2 psykers. A Level 2 psyker grants a 4+ deny attempt against all but the swarmy's psychic powers. The Hood transfers this to every SM unit within 6".

I do think the hoods are worse than in previous editions, but hoods are also no longer leadership based, which does limit our ability to nullify them. Changes to IC rules make hoods harder to single out. I'm thinking that the reduced range probably won't hurt SM against 'nids too much, as it supports a turtle defense that many were doing anyway...
-Pax

[hyv3mynd]

Lvl 2 libby is only a 5+ against the swarmlord's powers as he's also a ml2.

The main thing keeping me from using more than 5 psykers is the practicality of tracking which zoans have which powers and the same for multiple tervigons and broodlords. Tracking powers and using them takes a respectable amount of time as well. Using 17 powers a turn would be very time consuming and frustrating for your opponent.

[paxmiles]

Jul 22, 2012 22:27:23 GMT hyv3mynd said:

Lvl 2 libby is only a 5+ against the swarmlord's powers as he's also a ml2.

The main thing keeping me from using more than 5 psykers is the practicality of tracking which zoans have which powers and the same for multiple tervigons and broodlords. Tracking powers and using them takes a respectable amount of time as well. Using 17 powers a turn would be very time consuming and frustrating for your opponent.

First point is already mentioned in my above post.

I think you could get around the issue of which powers were on which by having a set of die colored for each power set. Perhaps D8s, as powers 1-6 are already numbered, 7 would be the primarius, and 8 would be reserved for special circumstances. Then just put one of each die as per they have spells by each psyker. A bit of an extra annoyance, but not much more than marking wounds or keeping track of which tervigon can't spawn anymore.

Could also color-coat/number the models in question. Then just jot them down at the start.
-Pax

[martinivv]

It's a shame that's only the swarmlord that is level 2, a tyrant should at least be level 2 too.

I think you can handle the different powers. I have used painted bases in the 5ed, I have painted Catalyst, Onslaught etc on 1" bases. When the power is casted I place the base besides the unit effected. This should work in 6ed also, you have to paint alot of bases tough