question on flyers

[ragnarok]

I have a question about flyers.

In particular their ability to sky fire and their ability to hover.

“Flyers can choose whether or not to use the skyfire special rule at the start of each shooting phase”
(page 81, 2nd column, 1st paragraph, first line)

“If a flyer is hovering it is treated exactly as a fast skimmer”
(page 81, 2nd column, 10th paragraph, first line)

Fast skimmers do not have the rule that they can choose to skyfire
(Page 83 sections Fast vehicles and Skimmers)
This implies a flyer that is hovering (fast skimmer for the turn cannot skyfire)


From this I assume that a flyer that is hovering is treated like a simmer, thus doesn;t have any of the flyer special rules, instead has the simmer and fast vehicle special rules. As such it can not skyfire.

Am I right, or have I missed something?

[WestRider]

As far as I can tell, that's correct. It says "exactly as a Fast Skimmer", which says to me that it follows those Rules instead of the Flyer Rules while Hovering.

[Talonis]

That is how I read it too. They shouldn't be able to get the best of both worlds...

[fragile]

Hovering does not change type of unit it is. It is always considered to be a flyer regardless of movement mode. The flyer can hence shoot skyfire while hovering.

[coredump]

If you treat is "exactly" like a skimmer, then it can never go back to being a flyer... since skimmers don't have that rule.

It is, and will always be, a flyer; sometimes it is treated like a skimmer.

[Deathnid]

^ Touche'

[Talonis]

Never thought of it like that... unless it is treated like a skimmer until the next turn where you again choose which mode it is using?

[ragnarok]

Jul 22, 2012 1:08:39 GMT coredump said:

If you treat is "exactly" like a skimmer, then it can never go back to being a flyer... since skimmers don't have that rule.

It is, and will always be, a flyer; sometimes it is treated like a skimmer.

I quoted exactly from the rule book and it used the word exactly.

I am beginning to lean towards flyers can always skyfire, since the bombing run rule specifies it has to be zooming.

Such a shame, it makes vendettas that much better against flying MCs. They can switch to hover mode, pivot to face our flying beast and knock up to 4 wounds off of them with relative ease

[Talonis]

Yeah it sucks alright, Vector strike should have been a bit stronger to give us some reason to get that close to them.

[coredump]

Vendettas can do that, but then can be hit like any AV12 vehicle....

[WestRider]

Yeah, Hovering Vendettas die fast. Going into Hover Mode is exceptionally risky. I'm not sure it was intended for Hovering Flyers to still be able to Skyfire, but I don't mind letting them do it, since they're pretty much going to die in the next Turn if they do.

[gloomfang]

We use the rule as is. They can not skyfire unti they resume flyer mode. Going to the store and the FAQ guy is there. I will see if