Iron arm and Smash attacks

[Talonis]

This came up today:

Tervigon cast warp speed on itself, giving +3 attacks

I wanted to smash, but was unsure if:

a) 3 base converts to 2 attacks + 3 for warp speed + 1 for charging +D3 for Crushing claws

or

b) 6 base attacks (3 base with extra +3 Warpseed added) equals 3 smash attacks + 1 charging + D3 Crushing claws

Would you add the warp speed attacks after halving just like charging and Crushing claws, or before then halve it?

[gloomfang]

Jul 20, 2012 5:16:59 GMT Talonis said:

This came up today:

Tervigon cast warp speed on itself, giving +3 attacks

I wanted to smash, but was unsure if:

a) 3 base converts to 2 attacks + 3 for warp speed + 1 for charging +D3 for Crushing claws

or

b) 6 base attacks (3 base with extra +3 Warpseed added) equals 3 smash attacks + 1 charging + D3 Crushing claws

Would you add the warp speed attacks after halving just like charging and Crushing claws, or before then halve it?

Multiply/Divide, add/subtract then apply set modifiers. Always round up.

So 3 goes to 1.5 and rounds up to 2. Add +3 for warpspeed, +1 for charging +D3 for claws. 1 HoW and 6+D3A.

[squash]

Hold on, it says halve its attack characteristic, I would think that means unmodified.

[coredump]

Isn't that what he just said?

Granted, his math is off... but still....



Actually, to be fair, he didn't really answer the question.

To consolidate and clarify. Yes it says characteristic, so you only halve the unmodified attacks.
Then you use the GW process of Mult/add/set values to get to a final number for that round.

3 goes to 2, then +D3 warp, +D3 Claws, +1 Charge, and a HoW attack.

So, 3+2D3, and a HoW attack.

[Talonis]

I thought so, I decided not to Smash in that particular game (due to being unsure), but thank you for your help

[gloomfang]

Jul 20, 2012 6:52:50 GMT coredump said:

Isn't that what he just said?

Granted, his math is off... but still....



Actually, to be fair, he didn't really answer the question.

To consolidate and clarify. Yes it says characteristic, so you only halve the unmodified attacks.
Then you use the GW process of Mult/add/set values to get to a final number for that round.

3 goes to 2, then +D3 warp, +D3 Claws, +1 Charge, and a HoW attack.

So, 3+2D3, and a HoW attack.

Forgot to add the charge attack. Just fixed it. And it is not 3+2D3 as you roll Warp Speed once per Game turn and you roll Crushing Claws once per Assault phase (So twice per Game turn).

And it doesn't matter if it said characteristic or not. It could just say halve attacks. You still apply the math that same. Always Divide before you add.

[coredump]

Ah, I see what you are saying... yeah, you're right.

But I still don't see how you are getting 6+d3??

[gloomfang]

Jul 20, 2012 18:01:52 GMT coredump said:

Ah, I see what you are saying... yeah, you're right.

But I still don't see how you are getting 6+d3??

Because in the orginal post he didn't say it was a D3. He said he had +3 attacks from Warp Speed. As he had already rolled and wanted to know what it would be in that instance I answered for that example.

Its why I had to say in the follow up he would have to reroll the Crushing Claws again in the next phase as he would still be +3A from Warp Speed in his opponents phase.

[coredump]

Cool cool... I missed that he 'already rolled' for Warp Speed.

[Sledgehammer]

Can I have the wording on smash? From what I read here, I get the impression, they screwed up on translating it to German...

[killme304]

"All of the close combat attacks, except Hammer of Wrath Attacks, of a model with this special rule are resolved at AP 2 (unless it's attacking with an AP 1 weapon). Additionally, when it makes its close combat attacks, it can choose to instead make a Smash Attack. If it does so, roll To Hit as normal, but halve its Attacks characteristic. A Smash Attack also doubles the model's Strength (to a maximum of 10) for the purposes of that Attack. Furthermore, a model making a Smash Attack can re-roll its armour penetration rolls, but must abidee by the second result."

^
The full entry for smash, and it clearly states attack characteristic. It seems they messed up the German version on a few other rules too.

[Sledgehammer]

Great, we clearly need an errata...

Oh, and thanks!