Challanges and Lash Whip

[gloomfang]

Had something funny come up and wanted to share with the Hive.

I was using my SL with 2 TG with LW. Pretty strait forward. I always have my guard out front out of habit. My opponent was BA and had a unit with Dante in front as he has artificer armor and Iron Halo that gave him some sick saves and was sucking up fleshborer shots for the squad. He had targetted the SL with his Deathmask to drop down his stats at the start of game.

So he charges in due to his better range. My closest model is my guard with the whip. His is Dante. Dante and the guard go into BtB as usual. A chalange is issued and we go BtB Dante vs. the Swarmlord. Deathmask kicks in, but SL makes the save (as it is not a fear check as far as I know). He started to explain why the Axe Mortalis is a special power weapon and as such does not count as unwieldy (He is worng, but that is anouther point) when I point out that it doesn't matter as he came into BtB with a lashwhip and is now I1 anyway for the rest of the assualy phase. I guess he was counting on the mask letting him strike first (and I don't think he had ever faced the Swarmlord in CC before.)
Needless to say that Dante (who doesn't have EW by the way and only a 4++ save) did not last long.

[webebuggin]

Lashwhips only affect models CURRENTLY in base to base as I recall.

[gloomfang]

Jul 12, 2012 18:28:05 GMT webebuggin said:

Lashwhips only affect models CURRENTLY in base to base as I recall.

Nope read the entry in the codex. Specificly says until end of assualt phase. Necon whips do not have that text.

Oh the real funny part? The guy was right about Dante not striking last! He had cut off the axe and replaced it with a sword. I did not realise you can change the type of power weapon by changing the model. So the Axe Mortalis can be a sword if you cut off the axe part.

[coredump]

No, it can't. The codex says he has an axe, so that is what it is.

If the *only* thing the codex said was "power weapon" then you look at the model.

[gloomfang]

Jul 12, 2012 20:44:27 GMT coredump said:

No, it can't. The codex says he has an axe, so that is what it is.
If the *only* thing the codex said was "power weapon" then you look at the model.

Nope. Axe is its name and names are not rules. Rules are that it is a Master Crafted Power Weapon. As it has no unique rules and it has not been FAQed like Gorechild to be a power axe that makes it WYSIWYG. If he models a sword it is a sword.

If it HAD unique rules it would change nothing as it would then be an AP3 weapon that you get the unique rules and not be an axe even if it looked like an axe.

[webebuggin]

...I don't think that will fly, he is a special character so he is equipped with what the model comes with. That is an Axe right? He doesn't need to be FAQ because it is blatently obvious he is equipped with an ax.

[coredump]

Besides the fact that it is called an 'axe'... it still has "further special rules". See where it is 'master crafted'??

And the rules allow you to look at the model, the rule does not say you can modify that model first....

A player is really trying to say that the weapon called "Deadly Axe" is not really an axe?? Really?

[gloomfang]

Jul 12, 2012 22:24:10 GMT webebuggin said:

...I don't think that will fly, he is a special character so he is equipped with what the model comes with. That is an Axe right? He doesn't need to be FAQ because it is blatently obvious he is equipped with an ax.

Not how it works. I can make the Twilight Chapter and have a flying sparkly vampire with an old knife and call him Edward the Dreamy and as long as he is one the right base and it is a BA list and I use all the models rules your good.

Besides if you are claiming it is a unique weapon the shape doesn't matter because it no longer uses power axe rules, it uses special power weapon rules.

But this is 6th and this is how it works now. All those models able to buy power weapons are now using what they are holding.