Generating Psychic Powers

[kurbutti]

This has most likely brought up before, but anyway. In our current FAQ under Psychic Powers it says: "...If it does so, for each psychic power it has from Codex: Tyranids (including those it has purchased), generate a new power from..."

So does a Hive Tyrant get to roll for 4 spells or 2? The way I interpret that it would roll for 4.

[Jabberwocky]

2, since the army list requires you pick 2 when purchasing your Tyrant.

Swarmlord has 4 though.

[halvar]

that stuff about powers being bought is about the tervigon.

[coredump]

The HT has access to 4, but only has 2 "from the codex"

So 2 rolls.

[kurbutti]

Yeah, it makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up. Too bad though.

[Shadowwolf]

What would a Hierophant roll? I just recalled he is labelled as a psyker in his apocalypse sheet.

Shadowwolf

[carnogaunt]

The Hierophant has Warp Field, but the consensus seems to be that it isn't a Psychic power anymore so you can't trade it in. Not that you would want to trade it in.

Still, being a Psyker is a bit of a bonus for him, since he can Deny the Witch on a 5+ against Witchfire/psychic shooting, in addition to being immune to Maledictions and other psychic powers like he was before (as a Gargantuan Creature).

[WestRider]

Note also that, when Generating Rulebook Psychic Powers, you Roll for them one at a time, and decide, on each Roll whether to keep that one or swap it for the Primaris Power.

So the SwarmLord doesn't get to just throw down 4 Dice at once and exchange whichever one of those four results he doesn't like for the Primaris Power.

[coredump]

I don't have the Heirophant rules... but from I can infer, it is classified as a psyker, but doesn't have any psychic powers. Right? (Because Warp field is no longer a psy power)

If this is accurate, and barring any changes clarifications from GW or FW.....

The Heiro is Mastery level 1, and can randomly roll for one power.

[Lanesend]

Yeah. I had a discussion about that yesterday.
One one side, you would say that because of Mastery level 1 you would be able to get 1 power.
On the other side, the FAQ says to trade in the powers Nids have, which in the Hierophants case is 0.
Now we know that codex > rulebook, and the FAQ is an amendment to the codex.
So the issue is still in debate.
For me it isn't a big deal as I don't have a Hierophant, but other people do.

Can somebody prove me wrong? (to me it would be very unlogical to have a Psycher without power...)

[kurbutti]

I don't suppose FAQ completely overrides whatever BRB says? In fact, FAQ amendment only seems to apply to models with actualy psychic powers. Quote: "Any model with psychic powers may..." So this only applies to them. If Hierophant doesn't have those, then it doesn't apply and it gets them as per the BRB rules for generating psychic powers. At first glance I don't see a contradiction there...

[coredump]

Well, since the Heiro isn't in the codex... you really can't *only* follow the codex.

But luckily, the FAQ says "Any model with Psy powers can..." The Heiro doesn't have any psy powers, so that doesn't apply. Now you can go and default off of the BRB rules....

I mean c'mon, there is really no way to follow RAW when trying to adapt things like that...

[Lanesend]

Thanks Kur & Core,
I'll try and convince my group to give him a normal Mastery 1.