Reduced Init from Thunderhammers & Lashwhips

[Talonis]

My Mawloc tried to Hit and run after surviving a unit of TH terminators. So I took my Init test and my opponent said that I am Init 1 now, even for characteristic tests.

Does this Initiative change affect Characteristic tests?

After reading Characteristic tests, no where this edition could I find that characteristic tests are always taken at the profile stat. (Unlike 5th ed where all characteristic checks were at unmodified values)

This opens a few other questions... more so with Lash whips too.

If Characteristic tests are taken at the modified/current value:

Units trying to flee from combat are now at Init 1 if all their models are in base with lash whips, almost guarantying them to be caught in a sweeping advance.

Models in Base with a lash whip are at init 1 for Acid blood tests.

[gloomfang]

Jul 6, 2012 21:00:50 GMT Talonis said:

Units trying to flee from combat are now at Init 1 if all their models are in base with lash whips, almost guarantying them to be caught in a sweeping advance.

Models in Base with a lash whip are at init 1 for Acid blood tests.

FAQ specificly states that lashwhips do not affect sweeping advance. I do belive it affects acid blood tests though.

[coredump]

p.7 Says to use the value in the profile.

[carnogaunt]

1) Page 7 says that you test against the "characteristic in the model's profile." Having a characteristic modifier does not change the model's profile.

2) You now use the highest initiative in the unit for Sweeping Advance (page 26).

[Talonis]

Jul 6, 2012 21:43:48 GMT coredump said:

p.7 Says to use the value in the profile.

Thats what I thought too, but my opponent was so sure that Thunderhammers Concussive USR modified the stat to 1.

pg.35 Concussive:
"A model that suffers one or more unsaved wounds from a weapon with this special rule is reduced to Initiative 1 until the end of the following assault phase."

Does "Is reduced to initiative 1" mean that the value in the profile is modified for the turn? Does this count for Characteristic tests?

**Edit**
Thanks Carnogaunt, you wrote that the same time as I did.