Are Genestealers still good?

[Jaktheripper]

I really like Genestealers both in fluff and on the table and i've (almost) always taken a unit of them in my lists.
But the only news i've heard/seen about them in 6th has been bad.
Are they still as viable as they used to be?

[Geneva]

In 6th the main reason to take them is for Broodlords. They can't assault after outflanking and their T4 5+ Sv makes them fragile and expensive for running upfield. They're certainly not bad but something of a far cry from what they were in 5th.

[Talonis]

With my experience so far, they work best in 2 broods close together starting by infiltrating in terrain. Draw attention to them, go to ground for a 3+ cover and then use them in turn 2 ( if you go first that is)

Having 2 units there means they will not come too close, and have to split their fire, while the rest of your army advances in the first turn. Worked really well for me so far.

[coredump]

Remember, they can't charge during the first *player* turn. So if you go second, you can assault T1.

[Dro]

Now I feel like Hormaguants can do the same job as genestealers for cheaper. Assault feels a little messy in sixth, but that could be from how new it is.

[Talonis]

I'm sure it is you can not assault first turn, not first player turn. So no assault till turn 2.

So going second wont let you charge in the first turn.

[Doc Ruby]

Jul 5, 2012 2:20:41 GMT Talonis said:

I'm sure it is you can not assault first turn, not first player turn. So no assault till turn 2.

So going second wont let you charge in the first turn.

Im not sure of the exact wording but the rulebook does specify the difference between a turn and a Game Turn; It says that a "turn" is a player turn. So each "Game turn" consists of 2 "turns"

Might be worth considering

[LordPathos]

Could always drop them in a spore pod. Just for funnzies.

[coredump]

Jul 5, 2012 2:20:41 GMT Talonis said:

I'm sure it is you can not assault first turn, not first player turn. So no assault till turn 2.

So going second wont let you charge in the first turn.

Nope, rules say that 'turn' means 'player turn' unless it specifies otherwise.

And it makes sense, all they are doing it making sure someone can't get charged before they even get a chance to deal with it. If you go first, and see stealers 13" away... and don't do anything about it... you deserve to get charged.

Besides, it would be kinda broken the other way. Stealers infiltrate to 15" away. Marines move *forward* to rapid fire, and you still can't do anything, so next turn they get to shoot you a second time....

[Talonis]

Hmmm I like this then, that's good to know. I don't mind going 2nd anyway

[gigasnail]

nice catch there, sir. missed that one.

[rick]

Interesting
Also: make sure you're out of synapse, or you cannot go to ground

[Talonis]

Jul 5, 2012 8:09:19 GMT rick said:

Interesting
Also: make sure you're out of synapse, or you cannot go to ground

Another great point...

[Lanesend]

@ Coredump & Rick.
Good points, from both. It's those small things that can make a big difference.

[rpricew]

@ core, can you please help me out and repost the pg numbers referencing the first turn charge allowance? I can't find it or the original thread post.