Null Deployment: Don't Autolose the game

[gloomfang]

Just a quick note that was pointed out to me about Nid Null Deployment.

In 6th ed you loose the game if you do not have any units on the board (pg122) at the end of the game turn. ANY game turn.

Reserves are not rolled until the start of turn 2.

If you have no units on the board at the end of your first turn you have lost the game.

Just an FYI...

That goes for other people's Null deployment lists too though.

[killme304]

Yeah we have discussed this a few times. Its kinda a Gentleman Parts block but I think it was done so some d-bag doesn't play a million flyers and have them all leave the board until they can just mad dash to contest/claim.

[Davor]

I just thought it was end of turn. Thanks for bringing it up.

[seahawk]

Can't do null deployment anyway. You can only have half of your units in Reserves now, excepting units that are always in Reserves. I guess if it was an all-spore army, but who does that? Just have some Spore mines on the table, hiding a couple in your DZ.

[gloomfang]

Jul 3, 2012 20:25:41 GMT Davor said:

I just thought it was end of turn. Thanks for bringing it up.

Nope. The issue is that if you deploy a few troops and they do a full deployment and they leafblow your units off the table in thier shooting phase and you have no units on the board at the end of turn 1, you lose.

Same with if you end up getting to few units on turn 2. If they kill what is on the board at the end of the game turn you are tabled.

[coredump]

But it also means to be careful with your list. If you mostly reserve, and only leave a couple of units on the board.... if they can take out those couple of unit.. game over man....

[gloomfang]

Jul 3, 2012 20:28:06 GMT seahawk said:

Can't do null deployment anyway. You can only have half of your units in Reserves now, excepting units that are always in Reserves. I guess if it was an all-spore army, but who does that? Just have some Spore mines on the table, hiding a couple in your DZ.

It can be done easier than you think. Lictors, flyrants, harpys, ymgarls and spore pods all are forced to start in reserve.

And to you want to risk losing becasue your opponet shot a few units of spore mines and killed a few units of gaunts?

[killme304]

Jul 3, 2012 20:34:02 GMT gloomfang said:

Jul 3, 2012 20:28:06 GMT seahawk said:

Can't do null deployment anyway. You can only have half of your units in Reserves now, excepting units that are always in Reserves. I guess if it was an all-spore army, but who does that? Just have some Spore mines on the table, hiding a couple in your DZ.

It can be done easier than you think. Lictors, flyrants, harpys, ymgarls and spore pods all are forced to start in reserve.

And to you want to risk losing becasue your opponet shot a few units of spore mines and killed a few units of gaunts?

Flyrants are not forced to start in reserve. Only Flying Vehicles are required to start off the board. See Deployment on page 49.

[Jabberwocky]

Ymgarls aren't forced either.

Honestly the safest bet to compliment null deployment, is having a 30 man gant brood in backfield or some T-Fex in the corners, in area terrain.

[gloomfang]

Jul 3, 2012 20:38:23 GMT killme304 said:

Flyrants are not forced to start in reserve. Only Flying Vehicles are required to start off the board. See Deployment on page 49.

I stand corrected, FMCs can start not must start.

Same with Ymgarls... Need to remember just becasue no one does it that means it isn't able to be done.

The point still stands that you can have to much in reserve an lose the game easier than you thought.

[Davor]

I thought Ymgarls were forced to be put in reserves.

*edit* Just found codex, and see they "can". I always thought they must. Glad to know about this. Just to smuck with my opponents brain, I will put nothing in reserve, if they should be LOL.

[fnorrll]

Jul 3, 2012 20:31:01 GMT coredump said:

But it also means to be careful with your list. If you mostly reserve, and only leave a couple of units on the board.... if they can take out those couple of unit.. game over man....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

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