6th Cover Rules and what they mean
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Post by bigpig on Jul 2, 2012 8:58:26 GMT
Well no, you still get cover if it is 25% covered. And HGaunts may be enough to get that on a fex; though termagants probably aren't. Bigpig, you are right, when it says 'partially hidden' it doesn't explicitly state 25%; but because it doesn't have to, since that is how it would work 'if it were terrain'. How about this? I have a unit of Grots (short little fellas that they are) with each model spaced 2" apart. A slugga boy is shooting at a genestealear, both on standard bases, both lined up so that LoS passes directly between two grots. Do I get cover? The rules on pg 18 are clear that I do.
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Post by N.I.B. on Jul 2, 2012 9:07:10 GMT
Well no, you still get cover if it is 25% covered. And HGaunts may be enough to get that on a fex; though termagants probably aren't. Bigpig, you are right, when it says 'partially hidden' it doesn't explicitly state 25%; but because it doesn't have to, since that is how it would work 'if it were terrain'. This. No covering a Tervigon with Gants, I'm afraid. When you shoot over something you revert to normal cover save rules = need to to be 25% obscured.
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Post by bigpig on Jul 2, 2012 9:23:50 GMT
Well no, you still get cover if it is 25% covered. And HGaunts may be enough to get that on a fex; though termagants probably aren't. Bigpig, you are right, when it says 'partially hidden' it doesn't explicitly state 25%; but because it doesn't have to, since that is how it would work 'if it were terrain'. This. No covering a Tervigon with Gants, I'm afraid. When you shoot over something you revert to normal cover save rules = need to to be 25% obscured. Based upon which specific rules? Again, I'm open. I just disagree. Using my example above (grots, boy, stealer); I can draw LoS "over" the height of the models (eyes to upper torso), which in this example are not physically obstructing LoS. I can also draw it through or "between the gaps in the models." The target model is not physically obscured at all. By the "passing over" argument, even combined with the "25%" argument, I would not get a save in that situation, yet I'm pretty sure the rules are clear I would. Extend that to the 'fex / smaller model because there is no distinction in this rules set. I think the decider is on whether the 25% restriction applies or not, not whether you can trace LoS over the intervening models (though again, if you can ONLY trace it over then there is no save)
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Post by N.I.B. on Jul 2, 2012 13:01:42 GMT
The wording could be clearer but I think the intent is that it must be obscured to at least 25%, in the same way as if it was behind terrain. Could be something for the BRB FAQ.
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Post by coredump on Jul 2, 2012 19:09:09 GMT
How about this? I have a unit of Grots (short little fellas that they are) with each model spaced 2" apart. A slugga boy is shooting at a genestealear, both on standard bases, both lined up so that LoS passes directly between two grots. Do I get cover? The rules on pg 18 are clear that I do. I agree, it is clear that you do. The space between the models ('through' the unit) also counts to obscure. So if the grots, and the space 'through' the unit, covers at least 25%, then that model gets a cover save. The only real point of contention that I see, is if "in the same way as if it were terrain" indicates that the 25% restriction for terrain, also applies. I think it does. The forest issue I think still rests on 'through' and not over; yes there are some headaches if you are using only a piece of board for your forest, but this s meant to be a 3D game, not 2D. If you are using only a board; thats not how the game was really intended, and issues will develop.
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Post by liquid405 on Jul 3, 2012 1:09:12 GMT
Its pretty clear what the intent of the rule was. 25% cover. This is consistent throughout the book. In fact, they even mention that it gets cover in the same way as terrain...which is 25%. Beardy rules interpretations are not ok.
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Post by coredump on Feb 21, 2013 4:05:37 GMT
[MOD] Thou shalt not resurrect a 7 month old thread to ask a barely related question. [/MOD]
(moved to new thread)
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