Tyranid Monstrous creatures VS vehicles in CC.

[Bot]

So today... Or yesterday for me, my store received the new rulebook. Its already on the shelf in the store and though it is not for sale yet, people are free to take a look at it. Now I didn't have much time really and I only skipped through those rules that I really wanted to know.

The first thing that I wanted to know about, were how Monstrous creatures would do against vehicles in CC.

so here's a couple of facts that I can give.

Rage no longer have any downside. You no longer have to move towards the closest enemy and the model/unit that has the Rage USR will get 2 extra attacks on the charge instead of 1.

Now this is obviously pretty good for us. I mean, now we don't really have to worry about having our feed behavior... Actually, feed* Synapse will actually make most of those units worse.

Anyway, Monstrous creatures will have this smash Abillity (My memory is terrible, so I can't remember the full name of it) As many of you have already heard, this means that the Monstrous creature will lose Half of its attacks but it will double its strength. As a bonus, any attacks that have hit the vehicle but failed to make a penetrating or glancing hit (which is on a 3+ on a moving vehicle (I think... Will check again tomorrow after my last exam)), will get re-rolls to the armour penetration roll.

Most Vehicles will have 3 structure points (I think they have a different name, but that doesn't matter) Glancing hits will remove a structure point and so will Penetrating hits. Penetrating hits will allow you to roll on the damage table though.

Now, all monstrous creature attacks will count as AP2.

AP 1 gives you +2 to roll on the damage table.
AP 2 gives you +1 to roll on the damage table.

Monstrous creatures will only roll 1D6 + S to armour penetration though.

(The Damage table should be like this: (1-2): Shaken (3): crew stunned. (4): Weapon Destroyed. (5): immobilized. (6): Destroyed.

So here's an example.

We have a Trygon that charges a moving Vehicle.

It hits on a 3+ (With re-rolls due to double ScyTals), with 4, S10 attacks and re-rolls to armour penetrate/glance. And last but not least, +1 to the damage table roll.

Or lets say that we have given the Trygon Adrenal glands (and that it is in rage). Then we'll have 8, S7 attacks with re-roll to hit and armour penetration.

Also, only 25% of a model have to be covered in order for it to count as obscured.

And our harpy now count as the infantry type: Flying monstrous creature, which includes a bunch of rules that for sure will make it so much more survivable.

So unless we'll have an über nerf with the coming FAQ, 6th edition will be a happy change for us Tyranid players.

Edit*

I meant Synapse, not feed. xD

[webebuggin]

So strength for sure capped at 10? Darn.

[gigasnail]

so rerolls on failed glance/pen rolls for MC's instead of a 2d6 for pen. combined with hullpoints, i think we're ahead on this one, boys and girls.

[Bot]

Jun 27, 2012 1:20:31 GMT webebuggin said:

So strength for sure capped at 10? Darn.

Well, that is auto penetration on most vehicles you know.

[malebranche]

I'm just glad we dont need to smash to re-roll the armor penetration. *kisses Old One Eye

[Inquisitor Stingray]

Thanks for the update, Bot! Would your local store be the Dragon's Lair in Århus? Because I was thinking about visiting it sometime soon.

[Bot]

Jun 27, 2012 2:46:39 GMT Inquisitor Stingray said:

Thanks for the update, Bot! Would your local store be the Dragon's Lair in Århus? Because I was thinking about visiting it sometime soon.

Yup, that's the one.

[N.I.B.]

Yup, these changes have all been posted in the rumour thread already. I'm getting kind of fed up with everyone going on about Rage, like it's something we can form a battleplan around, and not a random ability that may or may not happen outside of synapse. We don't know if you round the attacks up or down either, if it's down the most likely scenario is a Trygon will have 3 S10 attacks. If it's up, Rage wont have any impact at all against vehicles (except for Carnifexes).

You also forgot that AP2 only means the damage table is the same as the old one, as the unmodified damage table has been nerfed.

All in all I think MC's come out slightly ahead against vehicles compared to 5th ed, because of the better chance of hitting, in spite of the armour pen nerf.

The 25% obscured rule is nice, but I doubt Trygons will be able to grab cover, as the main part of their bodies are so elevated.

Can we lock this thread and keep it all in the rumour thread?

[Bot]

But...but... this is not rumors. I've seen the rulebook with my own eyes man! D:

And yeah... It doesn't say anything about attacks are rounded up or down. So I suppose it will be worded in a coming FAQ.

I wanted to take a look at the rulebook again, but my local store keeps it for themselves right now.

[N.I.B.]

Jun 27, 2012 11:06:19 GMT Bot said:

But...but... this is not rumors. I've seen the rulebook with my own eyes man! D:

So have many of the rumour spreaders, posting pics of the rulebook with Dakkadakka forum behind.

If you could ask your store, can you consolidate off of vehicles now?

[Bot]

I could, but I would probably first have an answer tomorrow.

[mhqvick]

bot: why have you changed your picture...

[ikken]

when you get a look at the book again , can you check how fearless wounds work ? if they are still the same of have they been toned down . it is not a vehicle specific question , but it has killed alot of my MCs over the years

[Elof Valantor]

Jun 27, 2012 10:51:48 GMT N.I.B. said:

All in all I think MC's come out slightly ahead against vehicles compared to 5th ed, because of the better chance of hitting, in spite of the armour pen nerf.

That nerf though comes at great benefit to our weaker units. Take a unit of devil gaunts. How many do you need now to take down one of those pesky transports? Or for Gargoyles with AG (assuming they work the same as before)?

If 3 glancing hits = -3 hull points = wrecked, I'll take a nerf to the pen chart! With a 4+ to hit that works out as 12 gaunts to a dead transport (assuming AV10).

[N.I.B.]

Jun 27, 2012 17:13:58 GMT Elof Valantor said:

Jun 27, 2012 10:51:48 GMT N.I.B. said:

All in all I think MC's come out slightly ahead against vehicles compared to 5th ed, because of the better chance of hitting, in spite of the armour pen nerf.

That nerf though comes at great benefit to our weaker units.

I was only adressing the MC vs vehicles situation, which incidentally this thread is about. And if you read what I say, my conclusion is that in that matchup it's overall a slight buff to MCs, not a nerf. The nerf I meantioned was the loss off +2D6 to pen for MCs.