Post by WestRider on Jun 10, 2012 4:37:55 GMT
did you not see this?
Honestly curious: You don't play fantasy, do you?
My goblin army has EVERYTHING that you're complaining about, my Lord slot is usually 1 big expensive lord, my Heroes are usually a raft of cheap goblin heroes, I usually field something like 40% Core, and field the maximum number of bolt throwers, catapults and mangler squigs.
The difference is that it's not JUST 25% max Rare or Special (40k translation arguably Fast Attack and Heavy) - both of those slots say you can't exceed a specific number of duplicated units, for example, you can't take more than 2 of the same Rare - so I'm limited to 2 Doom Divers, even though at 2500 I'd be able to field 7, almost 8 of them... or almost 10 Mangler squigs. That's a limitation taht's written into the core rulebook for WHFB.
Furthermore, I'm actually able to field twice as many Spear chuckas (special) than anyone else, because the goblins have that written into their codex.
It's entirely feasible for GW to write in the core rulebook something like:
"You may field no more than 3 of the same units from the Elite, Fast Attack and Heavy"
then in the Wolf FAQ, add an amendment that says they could take, say, 6 Lone Wolves.
My goblin army has EVERYTHING that you're complaining about, my Lord slot is usually 1 big expensive lord, my Heroes are usually a raft of cheap goblin heroes, I usually field something like 40% Core, and field the maximum number of bolt throwers, catapults and mangler squigs.
The difference is that it's not JUST 25% max Rare or Special (40k translation arguably Fast Attack and Heavy) - both of those slots say you can't exceed a specific number of duplicated units, for example, you can't take more than 2 of the same Rare - so I'm limited to 2 Doom Divers, even though at 2500 I'd be able to field 7, almost 8 of them... or almost 10 Mangler squigs. That's a limitation taht's written into the core rulebook for WHFB.
Furthermore, I'm actually able to field twice as many Spear chuckas (special) than anyone else, because the goblins have that written into their codex.
It's entirely feasible for GW to write in the core rulebook something like:
"You may field no more than 3 of the same units from the Elite, Fast Attack and Heavy"
then in the Wolf FAQ, add an amendment that says they could take, say, 6 Lone Wolves.
As I recall, they shifted from FOC style rules in fantasy to % system in 8th, and it's worked out just fine. I really don't think it would be that hard. Just say that you can't have more than 2 or 3 duplicate choices in each slot except for troops and (maybe) HQ. Some codices can get exceptions for certain units. It also allows the force-org shifting units to work just fine.
I can still see that becoming problematic with a number of the Armies that have a lot of competition within Slots for cheap, effective Units. Vanilla Marines and Blood Angels no longer have to choose between Speeders and Attack Bikes, and open up their Elites somewhat, Space Wolves can take both Long Fangs and Predators plus their Elites Choices open out to a ridiculous extent, and Guard get really scary with what they can do in Fast Attack and Heavy Support.
It also does really depend on where the percentage ends up being. At 25%, it actually gets significantly more restrictive than it does now, with double T-Fexen, triple Trygons, or even 2 Dakka Fexen being impossible at 2K, and Hive Guard being even more tightly restricted than currently at under 1800 Points. 50% opens up the unpleasant possibilities I mentioned above. Perhaps 35% or 40% could work out reasonably well.
The other effect if Troops got to 25%+ with no cap is a further boost to Armies that can call heavily on cheap spammable Troops Units. Space Wolves and Grey Knights come to mind, and Blood Angels and Veteran-centric Guard might well benefit to a certain extent, too.
Overall, it looks to me like a switch to a percentage-based system would largely shift things even more in favour of the Dexes that currently have an edge, while those currently under the Power Curve end up getting knocked down even a bit further.
As always, tho, it depends on the overall picture. Wait until we can see it all together for the final analysis.
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