Does Hive Commander stack with Alien cunning?

[masterofillusion]

Well does it?

...because that would be awesome.

[zephoid]

Yes

[masterofillusion]

YAY!

[masterofillusion]

Time to bring my units in on a 2+, turn two.

[DarkGuard]

Also remember that you'll be able to use Alien Cunning's outflank re-roll with the Troop unit that you outflank with Old Adversary.

[vecuu]

Also remember that it's going to be super expensive for you to have both, so make those turn 2 reserves count, otherwise you'll find yourself at a disadvantage due to having over 600 points tied up into HQ models.

[cookies]

Jun 1, 2012 16:23:17 GMT DarkGuard said:

Also remember that you'll be able to use Alien Cunning's outflank re-roll with the Troop unit that you outflank with Hive Commander.

Edited for correctness.

[nurglitch]

Yes, it says as much in the Tyranid FAQ.

[DarkGuard]

Jun 1, 2012 16:50:38 GMT cookies said:

Jun 1, 2012 16:23:17 GMT DarkGuard said:

Also remember that you'll be able to use Alien Cunning's outflank re-roll with the Troop unit that you outflank with Hive Commander.

Edited for correctness.

I keep doing that don't I? I need to start typing slower

[Geneva]

It's rather pricey though. You may well be better served by more units than throwing 200pts on a Hive Tyrant just for an improved reserve roll. Usually one will do fine enough by itself. You might find yourself a little short handed on models. I field a reserve heavy Swarmlord list myself and I feel the tightness on points with just him in it alone.

[Evex]

The price is ridiculous. You'll want Tyrant Guard for both the Swarmlord and the Tyrant. 280pts for the Swarmlord, and at least 195pts for the Hive Tyrant without any other Biomorphs (which would be foolish).

[rpricew]

Also, where is your Swarmlord going to start? Hiding in terrain or in reserves? If he is walking on Turn 2 with everybody else, then how effective is he going to be with board control and killing things? Of course if you are just interested in bringing him on to hold the back/centerfield for late game tactics, then you could do that and run him naked to keep points down and just support him with a scoring unit.

Flyrant with HC deepstrikes in with the army on 2+ for forward tactics and Swarmlord holds the back while guiding everyone in... What would the rest of the army look like to make this effective?

HQ:
Swarmlord = 280
Hive Tyrant (Wings, HC, OA, TL Devs, LW/BS, Parox, Leech) = 295

Elites:
(7) Ymgarls = 161
Doom in a Pod (TL Deathspitter) = 140
(3) Zoanthropes in Pod (TL Deathspitter) = 230

Troops:
Tervigon (AG/TS, Catalyst, Cluster) = 195
(11) Termagants = 55
(8) Genestealers (TS) = 136
(8) Genestealers (TS) = 136
(20) Termagants (Devourers) in Pod (TL Deathspitter) = 250

Fast Attack:
(15) Gargoyles (AG/TS) = 120

1999 Points

Swarmlord and 11 Termagants walk on the back (Swarmy running forward and Termagants camping to hold backfield objective). Genestealers and Tervigon Outflank. Everything else Deepstrikes in with Gargoyles screening Hive Tyrant.

[Jabberwocky]

Drop 5 Dev gants for 2 Ymgarls and another gant and I like it. You won't fit 20 of the buggers all on one side of the spore.

[Hivefleet Oblivion]

Jun 2, 2012 16:17:52 GMT rpricew said:

Flyrant with HC deepstrikes in with the army on 2+ for forward tactics and Swarmlord holds the back while guiding everyone in...

How do you deepstrike a Flyrant?

[getwisteerd]

Flyrants move as jump infantry, and jump infantry can deepstrike.