what is a toughness test?

[TheContortionist]

for toxic miasma it says the enemy must take a toughness test. I can't find the rules for this. can someone explain where to find them? thanks.

[WestRider]

Main Rulebook, Pg.8

[cookies]

A toughness test, strength test, initiative test, etc. is a test in which you roll a D6 and compare ita ginst the average of that stat for the unit. If you roll equal to or lower than the stat (1 is an automatic pass), you pass. If you roll higher (6 is an automatic fail) you fail the test.

[TheContortionist]

thanks guys. you're the best.

[sral49]

May 21, 2012 2:09:00 GMT cookies said:

A toughness test, strength test, initiative test, etc. is a test in which you roll a D6 and compare ita ginst the average of that stat for the unit. If you roll equal to or lower than the stat (1 is an automatic pass), you pass. If you roll higher (6 is an automatic fail) you fail the test.

1 is not an auto pass. If a model with zero or "-" needs to take a characteristic test it automatically fails, but if it have anything from 1-10 then 1 passes, but it's still not auto-pass.

[Elof Valantor]

May 21, 2012 4:43:54 GMT sral49 said:

May 21, 2012 2:09:00 GMT cookies said:

A toughness test, strength test, initiative test, etc. is a test in which you roll a D6 and compare ita ginst the average of that stat for the unit. If you roll equal to or lower than the stat (1 is an automatic pass), you pass. If you roll higher (6 is an automatic fail) you fail the test.

1 is not an auto pass. If a model with zero or "-" needs to take a characteristic test it automatically fails, but if it have anything from 1-10 then 1 passes, but it's still not auto-pass.

If it automatically fails you don't need to roll the die. Ergo you only roll the die for a value statistic value of 1-10, in which case a roll of 1 is an "auto-pass".

[coredump]

While in this case it works out to be the same thing, there is a technical difference between needing to roll a 1+ and being an 'auto-pass'.

For example, with a Lictor on the board, you will only need a 1+ to pass the reserve test. This means that if your opponent (IG) can cause you a penalty on your reserve roll, you may still need to get a 2 or better to actually get your reserves.

As opposed to turn 5, when you will 'auto-pass' your roll, so it doesn't matter what modifiers your opponent gives you, they will still come on.

[nurglitch]

Yup, for some reason the 5th edition is lacking a general "1s automatic fail, 6s automatic success" rule.

Incidentally, T3 passes Toughness tests 50% of the time, T4 66%. Also, the Toxic Miasma allows armour saves and happens after combats are resolved and after the units have piled in.

[coredump]

Dammit!

I was basing my response on what has been said in this thread.... that turns out to be a mistake....

cookies: Mea Culpa.


While what I said is true about the difference of '1+' and 'auto pass', it doesn't apply in this case. The rules on p.8 clearly state that a 1 *is* an auto pass.

Which brings me to my best advice about rules questions:
No matter who answers your question, your *best* option is to take what they say, and double check it for yourself in the appropriate rulebook. It will help you learn it better, and it will catch any silly mistakes like this one.

And the corollary, is that the best rules answers include a page reference.