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Post by bloodborne on May 16, 2012 0:32:07 GMT
Alrighty, so, I have recently come back into the game with a VERY fresh start(lost all of my models due to a move), and have instantly fell in love with the new Hive tyrant model. Built it to spec with wings befitting the name of my splinter fleet, and had downloaded the 5th ed codex, and found myself with a dilemma concerning the build of the model of the tyrant. It seems capable of fielding two sets of weapons, as well as bearing wings. Is my interpretation of this correct? And if so, is it WYSIWYG to say that it's rather weaponised looking feet would be fully capable as STs in their own right?
Thank you for your time, and I'll post a force org as soon as I decide what exactly I want to be fielding!
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Post by Inquisitor Stingray on May 16, 2012 0:47:09 GMT
Hey man, welcome to the Hive!
When starting Tyranids, people are usually encouraged to avoid the Hive Tyrant. Not because it's a bad unit, far from, but it does eat up a lot of points, which makes it better suited for larger games. The new model is, however no less than amazing and obviously you should field it.
Prior to the release of the kit, people have been discussing whether the Wings count toward the "six-limbs"-template that all Tyranids are created from. The Gargoyles suggested that this was the case, however I have seen countless of conversions where the Wings were added to the back of the Tyrant, essentially giving him four pairs of limbs.
As for WYSIWYG you should easily be able to field him (the Tyrant) Wings/feet counting as Scything Talons. After all, Wings can be used for others things than flying and as you point out, those sharp feet look pretty dangerous as well. It gets less obvious if the Wings are to symbolize a Bonesword/Lashwhip combo, but really that shouldn't be a problem either.
TL;DR - The Wings and feet should be sufficent represantives of Scything Talons.
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Post by bloodborne on May 16, 2012 1:05:10 GMT
oh, I am more thinking that the feet are really only capable of being pierced into the side of walls and the such, landing on those things to use the more delicate wings to attack seems a hazardous thing to do. I would more see it use those feet as a weapon than the wings any day, that said, i would rather the capability of being able to re-roll all missed to-hit rolls than a minus to initiative, especially considering how i have it kitted would mean any non-fearless unit has the chance of not being able to charge it anyway.
and trust, I might be a new member, but I am a vet to the bugs, and a 12 year vet to the game at large. I've no fear of using big bugs.
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Post by WestRider on May 16, 2012 2:09:27 GMT
Don't dismiss the Lash Whip so quickly. Flyrants tend to charge into Cover pretty often, and bringing the target down to your level can be handy.
The ScyTals are also mostly just useful against Vehicles, because Old Adversary is close to a "never leave home without it" power for a Flyrant.
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Post by bloodborne on May 16, 2012 3:14:26 GMT
and yet, I'll not be using it, and going for the command upgrade for reserves. assuming that as always I'll be running into an inundated amout of MEQs, so will be running a more shooty list with a Trygon and the Tyrant used as oppertunity hitters to wipe select units from the board. Most of my strength is in warrior and termi broods, with lictors allowing for the Trygon and my outflanking genestealers to come in exactly where I want them.
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Post by bloodborne on May 16, 2012 3:15:25 GMT
I'm also not dismissing them, they just don't fit my playstyle... never have... doubt they will be worked to ever do so.
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Post by Psychichobo on May 16, 2012 12:01:34 GMT
You're taking a bit of risk there by trying to envision a playstyle without playing with the Nid codex itself in the current meta. People tend to have visions of what they want that don't translate that well into practice. Depending on who you're playing against you might fight your group hides in cover a lot, or that you need more things in reserve.
Regardless, magnetise your tyrant if you can. It's the best option really.
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Post by bloodborne on May 18, 2012 2:38:08 GMT
I take very little risk actually thank you. As I have already stated, I have been playing the game and been in the hobby for over a decade now. Much as I hate to admit it, I do a lot of calculation on how the units I choose will fare based on the statistics of the units involved. That said, it has always been the case for me, that my hive tyrant was and is never the driving force behind my army, and under the current build, this changes rather little. Arguing your points at me does very little good, I had a speculative question that was answered in the very first response. So hammering me on my unit choices or why I choose them, is in my mind, trolling a post. Thank you for your time.
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Post by Bot on May 18, 2012 3:13:06 GMT
Arguing your points at me does very little good, I had a speculative question that was answered in the very first response. So hammering me on my unit choices or why I choose them, is in my mind, trolling a post. Thank you for your time. I'm sorry, but I just really have difficulties seeing how Psychichobo is trolling you in any thinkable way... I also fail to see how he's "hammering" you on how you choose your options. He's giving you an advice man. Jeeee... Take the advice or don't. your choice man.  PS: To be honest... I think you should take and listen to what he said... but your choice, man... your choice. |
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Post by voraciousapathy on May 18, 2012 5:24:33 GMT
I know a lot of people who've been playing for over a decade. They all think I'm some kind of Warhammer deity. Sounds like you need a lesson in humility. But in the meanwhile, magnetize your Hive Tyrant, for when the local meta catches up to your laughably poor thought experiments. By the way, this is trolling a post. Bonus Troll: "especially considering how i have it kitted would mean any non-fearless unit has the chance of not being able to charge it anyway." It seems the "12 year veteran" also thinks Indescribable Horror is a better expenditure of points than Old Adversary. Nice. Truly, you have a dizzying tactical acumen.  |
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Post by Bane Wordsmith on May 18, 2012 7:59:14 GMT
Not to take this thread off the delightful topic of who is trolling who, and I apologies in advance. I've just started with the Nids (previously playing Necrons), and have similarly purchase a hive tyrant and am planning to outfit this monster with wings. I was under the impression that if I used wings and (say for the example) a Heavy Venom cannon, I would lose any bonus from having Scything talons, since none are represented on the model (assuming the feet may not count). Then his attacks would just count as claws and teeth as on page 83. I don't want to prove anyone wrong, or start an argument. I just want to know that if I take this beast to a tournament and claim he has Wings, a Heavy Venom Cannon and Scything talons; will I be laughed at, and pointed out that he in fact does not. Then hang my head in shame. |
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Post by voraciousapathy on May 18, 2012 10:27:20 GMT
Just look at your Codex: You are allowed to purchase scything talons, and an HVC, AND a pair of Wings. Right? Right. So, if you can buy them, and if Wings do not replace an arm option... Yes. You have a valid build. No. It's not a very good one. Magnetize it, or else you'll be stuck with a wonky WYSIWIG Tyrant, kind of like OP. Indescribable Horror. Ha! |
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Post by bloodborne on May 18, 2012 19:21:04 GMT
to restate, my issue, again, was NOT with them stating advice, but giving advice where none is needed.
Point 1: I had stated a speculative question, in regards to HOW the model could be interpreted, in regards to if it could be stated as having dual scytals or not.
Point 2: I was not in ANY way asking for advice on building my tyrant. Had I done so, the entirety of this topic would be very different.
My apologies if I bristle, but I get extremely irratable when people try insisting on answer Y to question X, and instantly assume troll.
@ Apathy, keep in mind good sir, I am very good myself. While I will not be taking building advice on how I will run my tyrant, this is due more to how I prefer to run it, as opposed to how to make it a particularly good unit. I am ore about playing people's weaknesses than about playing their armies. That said, in my LGS, I'll be the ONLY 'nid player, which affords me again the unique oppertunity to play aginst the minds of a lot of MEQ players. Who will not see a sub-par, CC flying Monsterous creature, but will see a monsterous creature, that stands nearly 4 times their puny meatbags height, and is a CC monsterous creature that flies.
I love the random fear effect units that are in the game, and those are what I use to great effect. To me, this is exactly what a tyrant is, especially now that we can take a synapse creature as a troop. When I get my army back to my 2K standard, adding to the general fear effect of the army, will be a 'fex brood, with the only real addition of having regen, not because the 'fexes will be any good, hells, compared to the monsters I used to run, these fex's are more akin to flower-picking girl-scouts. But it is what people USED to know them as, and that is the point.
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Post by kurbutti on May 18, 2012 19:43:16 GMT
I'm sure you'll do fine.
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Post by voraciousapathy on May 18, 2012 19:53:19 GMT
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't even need to say anything else. Regenerating Carnifexes and Winged Heavy Venom Cannon Indescribable Horror Hive Tyrants.
Just awesome.
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