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Post by Edzilla on Apr 20, 2012 20:35:01 GMT
This is the sought of thing that we should just leave...
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Post by maugrim on Apr 20, 2012 20:52:46 GMT
Could somebody provide the link to the Terms and Conditions again?
There is nothing in the "The Tyranid Hive Rules and Guides 23/08/09" which addresses this.
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Post by Jabberwocky on Apr 20, 2012 21:14:30 GMT
Could somebody provide the link to the Terms and Conditions again? There is nothing in the "The Tyranid Hive Rules and Guides 23/08/09" which addresses this. The very bottom of the page, terms of service. Specifically term 18. Not to use excessively offensive/violent material etc. |
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Post by andy089 on Apr 20, 2012 21:48:52 GMT
right uh, so how can there even be a warhammer forum then? I believe the entire objective of the fluff is to be overly dramatic and OTT violent and a bit gross...
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Post by Illithid on Apr 20, 2012 21:51:01 GMT
it is better to be aware of these delicate topics and build empathy from a young age, realise it is wrong and be able to make a stand - than pretend it does not occur and ignore the issue. It in no way breaks Term 18 moreso than half of the violent dioramas that are depicted and gets back to the case of, "We can have as much killing, maiming, and grisly trophies displayed on warpoles as we want, but nothing with a hint of sexual explicit material or swearing is." ~ As for being excessively offensive, I do not think it is and many - by the looks of this thread do not either.
I decided to show this piece to my fiance, who is a "woman". She does not game, looked at the piece and said, "Wow, that is brilliantly done and without being obscene." ~ the point being, believing woman do not want to see this piece is again throwing out stereotypical ideas. The piece depicts a disturbing idea, but in now way is the artist crude about it - hell, he could have made that piece significantly worse and then I would have an objection.
The artist created a piece that shows a little cleavage yes, but the majority of young children under 10 are just going to look at it, see a naked lady laying in the dirt and giggle at some breasts. I actually teach the younger generation here in Australia, and the topic I am teaching to 8, 9, 10, and 11 year olds is - "Child Rights and Soldiers". So far in 10 weeks we have looked at Child Protection/Prostitution and Work Laws. Next term will be "Kony" and what occurs in Africa as well as Child Exploitation. As I said at the start, it is better to be aware of these delicate topics and build empathy from a young age, realise it is wrong and be able to make a stand - than pretend it does not occur and ignore the issue.
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Post by Jabberwocky on Apr 20, 2012 22:10:50 GMT
Like I said, it's not an arguement of censorship (because obviously the work is being censored), but if something violates the ToS then the mods have a duty to remove it, plain and simple.
Starting a thread slating a mod for doing their job, to me, seems pointless.
Arguing what constitutes excessive, what can be defined as offensive, etc are valid topics of discussion but it should not be centered around someone who is trying to protect not only the perceived vulnerable but also everyone who enjoys being able to use The Hive without ProBoards cracking down on every little thing. Think how often people break copy right by mistake and get away with a light warning.
I may be coming across as incredibly conservative here (which is ironic considering how liberal I am) I just don't agree with personal Mod bashing when all the guy did was remove something he felt was harmful, offensive or against ProBoards ToS.
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Post by Illithid on Apr 20, 2012 22:36:22 GMT
I am not saying Yori does a bad job or trying to have a dig at him, not in the slightest Jabberwocky. I want that clear. I think the guy does a great job and I know from personal experience how mundane it can be looking after a forum and making sure no-one has breached protocol.
Perhaps the title of the thread needs a different name, but hopefully we are all adults and what I think DA may have been looking for was a serious discussion, free of slander, where people can voice their opinions on the matter. I think the issue was, many had no issue, and when it got locked and with the message posted - they felt like they had been nanny-stated.
Perhaps if it had just been locked with a brief message stating - "I am sorry, but this breaches the ToS", without any personal opinion thrown in, there would not have been any reaction.
This is all hypothetical though but it is something to consider for future reference.
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Post by maskedtyranid on Apr 20, 2012 22:37:57 GMT
Okay, not having seen the pic, the description makes it clear what's really going on. So I'm calling BS on all "alternative interpretations," like maybe one of the guys got a snakebite on his weener and he needs the woman to suck the venom out. Get real. It's a rape. So, unless you're trolling Yori, stop. Hell, if you ARE trolling him you should stop anyway. So just stop. You're not going to get your miniature porn on this forum with some clever argument.
Now about the "rape happens" argument, which I hear a lot. I don't want it in my miniature wargame. I don't care if it would happen, I don't want to see it. "But people die in so many horrible ways in this game!" So? At least they aren't being sexually violated, which seems to have escaped the supporters of the mini rape porn thing. And notice how I keep calling it porn. It isn't? Well, tell me, then, can we see the Eldar woman's breasts exposed? Is that consistent with the terms of service here? And furthermore, is this really an attempt at "art" or just an exploitation fest? The latter sounds more likely to me.
I shouldn't need to say any of this. It should be obvious that a depiction of an imminent gang rape isn't appropriate here, but apparently not. And it's really distressing how many people don't seem to care how bothered Yori was by this, like how he feels about the subject matter isn't important. I don't think whatever discussion this thing was supposed to provoke is worth alienating him or any women who might be frequenting these forums.
Anyway, if you really want to see a picture of a Venomthrope molesting a Khymera or something of that nature I'm sure 1d4chan can help you out, so just go there.
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Post by yoritomo on Apr 20, 2012 22:56:06 GMT
Sure, I'd be happy to post a link to the ProBoards terms of service. www.proboards.com/tosI'd look at 18, "Objectionable Content". It fits under A and I'm willing to bet I, though we'd have to ask ProBoards to be sure. Say what you want, we aren't posting pictures of people being raped here. I don't care what medium it's in, it isn't going to be allowed. |
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Post by ziyousansz on Apr 20, 2012 23:07:46 GMT
I did not see the model, but I did see the thread.
Y'know what, I'm going to side against myself on this one. I hate censorship, in all its forms. I disagree with telling a creator that he can't make certain things because they bother people. Issues should be brought up, and there should be 'heavy' subjects approached in every format. Art, music, literature, and philosophy are about us as people grappling the difficult issues.
That said, you don't just walk into the local preschool and hand out gay orgy pics to the kids.
Jabberwockey has the right of it - Yori's actions weren't about artistic censorship. He has a job to do as a moderator, he has rules to follow just as we do. I didn't see the image, but if it violated the ToS, then one of the other mods would have shut it down if Yori hadn't.
I think of it this way: I'm free to write a novel about a drug-fueled cannibalistic romp through southeast Asia, but stores are free to choose what they stock. They can't force me to change my book, and I can't force them to sell it either. Rules and terms are like that - you can say what you want, but you might have to go elsewhere for an audience. TTH can choose what it keeps posted here in that same vein.
On a more personal note, I'm actually happy that Yori had such a passionate response. I'd rather the mods be human, have beliefs, have triggers and hot topics, have cares and concerns. I'd rather know that I can relate to the people in charge of things. It's much preferable to having somebody soulless scrutinizing your actions.
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Post by andy089 on Apr 20, 2012 23:53:24 GMT
I know people won't really care, but I don't see how killing people in various (overly menacingly) ways is family friendly and not violent while the artistic illustration of something that sadly happens far too often is. As for the argument "at least they are not getting sexually assaulted" - well at least she doesn't have her brain eaten by bugs. And while I think it is good to talk about these topics, I think applying double standards isn't the right way to go. I am curious: How was THIS thread not locked? thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=painting&action=display&thread=37681I am not complaining that the thread was locked, I am complaining that others aren't. For the first time since I signed up here, I am questioning the mods. I can't do anything about anything anyway, except maybe not coming here anymore but oh well... |
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Post by Bot on Apr 21, 2012 0:22:02 GMT
I've already seen the Diorama before and I fully understand the thread being closed and the link being removed.
That said... I'm not surprised to see this thread after a comment like this.
I mean, yes Yori, people were "totally" saying that.
C'mon Yori... What was that? Is that how you picture us? A bunch of people who dislikes the army and thinks they are no better than criminals? If that were not how you pictured us... Then why did you ask us those questions? More importantly, why did you ask us such provoking questions for then to lock the thread?
I think it is great to hear a moderator say his opinion as well!
But I'd preferred Yori to start a new thread and asked us those questions he did in that thread, instead of disabling our ability to post a response to his questions. Especially when they IMO were very offensive.
Perhaps the questions were pointed at Genevaman? I don't know, but even if that were the case, I still think that he should have had his chance to defend his case when questioned in front of the whole Hive like that. I'm glad to see that at least because of this thread, Genevaman got a chance to respond.
I'm just saying.
At least that is my opinion about this.
Hope we can avoid more of these kind of threads in the future.
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Post by hive fleet pandora on Apr 21, 2012 0:25:43 GMT
we play a WAR game. we paint soldiers with guns and then shoot the other army.
that dosent sound like a G rated game.
this forum isnt very G rated either, hell, the fluff i write contains violence, maybe we should censor that too, brovatar's salamanders are holdng guns, censor them because its supposed to be family friendly, the pictures of hormagaunts and carnifex on our main page have blood all over their face, censor them too.
i think we are all mature enough to handle such things on this forum, and if someone is not, their parents shouldent be letting them play wargames.
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Post by Koyori on Apr 21, 2012 3:59:05 GMT
Chill everyone...we don't allow rape on the board, and you should all be happy for that. Sides we are quite lax with the rules here, so instead for giving Yori alot of (please do not swear) all the time be glad he and other among us are actualy here, keeping this forum up and running.
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Post by Helonion on Apr 21, 2012 4:25:07 GMT
I think its an amazingly painted diorama. But it has always made me feel bad every time I look at it because I feel rape should be punished with death.
I don't like how Yori handled the situation. I think he could have been more subtle. I don't want the forum shut down anymore than anyone else does and I understand why he removed it. But still he could have handled it better.
Also I want to say that Slannesh chaos rhino I disliked from the start.....that bothered me more than the current topic minis.
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