Null deployment - as good as it gets

[N.I.B.]

Now that Null Deployment is 'dead', what should we call the new reserve build? Min Deployment?

Currently I'm deploying Flyrant and/or Genestealers. But if this turns out to be too easy to shoot out before the rest comes on (and thus I lose the game), I will have to make changes. While it would pain me to drop the Devilgants, I feel that my troop choices are the weakes part of the list, and that's were I would make the changes. Here's what I'm thinking of

Hive Tyrant – Hive Commander, Old Adversary, Wings, 2x Twin-linked Devourer

2 Zoanthropes with Spore
2 Zoanthropes with Spore
2 Zoanthropes with Spore

10 Termagants
10 Termagants
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Onslaught
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Onslaught

Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore

2000 points on the button, neat and symmetrical, love it. A bit weaker shooty alpha strike but stronger troop section with loads more staying power, really important in 6th ed objective heavy missions.

Unfortunately, the tournament I'm planning for is 1999 points and no +1. So I need to drop a single point, annoyingly enough when everything is down to the bare bones. One option is to drop OA, another to drop Onslaught and just keep Catalyst and play safe. Staying with the theme of the list, in the end I think I'll keep OA for the critical mass of focused shooting I need to bring, and destroy the symmetry instead. So one Tervigon will lose the third power and stay with Catalyst, the other will keep three powers and go for Biomancy. Both gets Scything Talons to bring the list to 1995 points -


Hive Tyrant – Hive Commander, Old Adversary, Wings, 2x Twin-linked Devourer

2 Zoanthropes with Spore
2 Zoanthropes with Spore
2 Zoanthropes with Spore

10 Termagants
10 Termagants
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Onslaught, Scything Talons
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Scything Talons

Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore

1995 points

One nice thing is that I can always reserve my Warlord if I need to, without worrying much about losing in turn 1-2.

[Jabberwocky]

Tervs definitely have the greater staying power. If you go first with nightfighting (or the enemy lacks long range firepower) you could even outflank a Terv to get up in their face.

Have you considered dropping AG on Tervs? Since they will likely smash for S10 anyway and you have anti-light vehicle covered without a dozen gants going for the glance..

[Jabberwocky]

I'd also probably just call it a drop list, since we have to use spores (excepting Lictors) to achieve more than 50% reserves.

[N.I.B.]

I really like the Tervigon upgrades, they are so cheap for the potential buff they bestow. But you have a point, this list isn't about destroying light vehicles with S4 in close combat. So, dropping AG and Scything Talons on one Tervigon I can afford 3 powers on both, going for Biomancy. But I'm having second thoughts about Biomancy - getting either Endurance (preferably) or Iron Arm is paramount in this list. The Tervigons aren't meant to be Tervifexes in this particular build, they are just there to survive and grab objectives. So I think I'll stay with the old AG, TS, Catalyst setup for the guaranteed access to FNP. It also means I have 29 points to play around with.

That could buy me reg on the Flyrant and a Termagant, or a couple of TL Deathspitters and a Termagant. Or 5 Termagants. More dakka it is. Moar.

Hive Tyrant – Hive Commander, Old Adversary, Wings, 2x Twin-linked Devourer

2 Zoanthropes with Spore, TL Deathspitter upgrade
2 Zoanthropes with Spore, TL Deathspitter upgrade
2 Zoanthropes with Spore

11 Termagants
10 Termagants
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Onslaught, Scything Talons
Tervigon - Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Onslaught

Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore

1995 points

[maeloke]

I am having trouble thinking of a way to make your swarm more shooty. Maybe swap that third zoey duo for a Doom in a spore, and then put TL Deathspitters on your dakkafex spores?

[fragile]

Unless your going to max out the powers, you can probably drop the Onslaught since your null deploying with most of your big shooty units. They will be dropping close enough you shouldnt have to run much. I see you using FNP more than Onslaught in this list.

[wisdomseyes1]

With the addition of fliers and over watch, I have taken a liking to stinger salvo. Just something to consider.

[Jabberwocky]

I think if you are keeping catalyst and all your shooting is in pods, you don't need onslaught surely?

Maybe keep on 1 Terv for swapping and have the other with catalyst and AG as your gant multiplier.

[N.I.B.]

Oops, the Onslaughts are typos, they shouldn't be there.

Hive Tyrant – Hive Commander, Old Adversary, Wings, 2x Twin-linked Devourer

2 Zoanthropes with Spore, TL Deathspitter upgrade
2 Zoanthropes with Spore, TL Deathspitter upgrade
2 Zoanthropes with Spore

10 Termagants
10 Termagants
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Scything Talons
Tervigon - Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst

Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore

1995 points

Stinger Salvo instead of Cluster Spines trade a good anti-infantry pie plate for a gimmicky 11.1% chance of glancing Necron Fliers (not being able to hurt IG Fliers at all, except with rear shots). I rather wipe out my opponent's ground forces while I ignore the Fliers.

[leeroy1986]

I'm enjoying reading to see how your lists are progressing

Hive Tyrant – Hive Commander, Old Adversary, Wings, 2x Twin-linked Devourer

Originally you had the Swarmlord, do you find that he becomes too isolated or Dakkatyrants are better? Also you had dual winged Tyrants. how do you find 2 Fkydakkarants? Unecessary and points spent better elsewhere? or really good, deffo the way to go?

2 Zoanthropes with Spore
2 Zoanthropes with Spore
2 Zoanthropes with Spore

What made you want to shift from Hive Guard to Zoanthropes?
I know their warpblast is very good, I was messing around today and went Telekinesis and had them teleporting around with Gate of Infinity! Twas funny. But I find Hive Guard awesome. But really if you're going to be competitive I don't see how you can swap out starting powers. But yeah how do you rate these vs Hive Guard?

10 Termagants
10 Termagants
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Onslaught
Tervigon - Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Cluster Spines, Catalyst, Onslaught

Not a fan of the Tervifex? I always have Stinger Salvo personally, but love these guys, they're amazing!

Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore
Dakkafex with Spore

You rate these over Trygons? i had my Trygons today eat Bloodthirsters, but yeah there's lots of 12 twin-linked shots about, you're finding the devourers to be very good?


Sorry for the questions just curious

Leeroy

[Jabberwocky]

In order to near-null-deploy you need units that are forced to come from reserve so for this concept the Zoans vs Hive Guard and Fex vs Trygons decision is made for you.

[N.I.B.]

leeroy, I think you're confusing this thread with the 'Swarmlordstar' thread.

[leeroy1986]

Nah I was just wondering from a competitive PoV how you rate the units against each other in my last post =)

[N.I.B.]

Aug 2, 2012 22:21:05 GMT leeroy1986 said:

Originally you had the Swarmlord

What made you want to shift from Hive Guard to Zoanthropes

I've never had the Swarmlord, nor Hive Guards, in any of the null deployment versions. So yeah, you're definately mistaking this build for something else.

I think during the coarse of the thread I've explained why Tervigons/Trygons and such aren't ideally suited for a null deployment army. But to sum it up - cc null deployment cc sucks. Shooty Null deployment rocks. That's even more true in 6th ed. And as always you need a critical mass of focused shooting on your alpha strike.

[leeroy1986]

Sorry I meant in general with all of your threads reading all your threads and all your Army Lists nothing to do with Null Deployment my questions were in competitive matches with nothing to do with Null Deployment. But it doesn't matter now, sorry if i've put a downer on the thread Have fun!

Leeroy