Imperator Titan questions

[krakenfiend]

Hey guys....I've a BIG project coming up for 2008. A buddy and I are going to make an Imperator class Titan from scratch. Now....I need some information...if you guys could help me...I would be very grateful.

First...How tall is one of these things in real life? I've read several numbers and I'm not sure...any where from 40 meters to 100 meters...?

How many structure points does one have?...I think its 12....not sure though.

How many void shields do they have (I think this is 12 also).

What does the Hellstorm Cannon do...It seems that many Imperator class Titans feature this weapon...I'd like to know what it does (in game terms) before i decide to model mine with one.

What does the Plasma Annihilator cannon do?...another common Imperator class weapon.

How many point defenses does it have?..I always see them bristling with weapons...well...how many should it have realistically? Does it need basilisk cannons mounted in the castle ramparts and battle cannons in its legs?

How many points should this thing be?....I was thinking of using the chapter approved VDR for building it...but it is hard to lump some of its weapons into the categories spelled out in the chapter approved.

If I have other questions...I'll post them here...

krakenfiend

[Overread]

darn that big!
for size, I think they are about twice the height of a ravener class titan - so its big!
with a full castle and church on top!

[dreachon]

From what I've seen in comparing the imperator model to the warlord model in epic an imperator is 1,5 times the height of a warlord, in size of model this will translate somewhere around the 1,5metres tall, don't listen to anybody saying it should be at least 2 to 3 metress, their oversizing it.

the imperator has a whooping 18 structurepoints and 12 voidshields, it'll also have allround armour 14.

I wouldn't bother with VDR as you would never ever be able to the model just, I suggest you take a look at the www.siegeworld.com they have rules for the imperator and should update them next year to fall in line with apocalypse but do expect this beast to set you back by at least 5000pts.

[The Custodian]

well if DOW has helped it seems hellstorm cannonsblow through EVERYTHING.... Im thinking heavy1, streanth d, ap 1, 10' blast

[krakenfiend]

Thanks for the input guys. I think we decided that it will be 40 inches tall, about 16 inches wide at the shoulders and about 10 inches wide at the waist. The fun part is going to be designing the upper castle section and the Plasma Annihilator Cannon...whoooo....big job.

dreachon: Thanks...they have some good info on that sight. I don't agree with their assessment of the Hellstorm Cannon though....I'm thinking that it is a gattling Volcano Cannon (ouch )...especially from the fluff I've read and from what I can extrapolate.

krakenfiend

[christars]

I made rules for the Emperor, and all the other Titans as well.

Here they are:

thetyranidhive.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=OtherGamesWorkshopstuff&action=display&thread=1182083094&page=5

Sorry for having spare time.

Note:

EMPEROR: The chassis, the Titan itself.
Imperator: An Emperor with Hellstorm Cannon, Plasma Annihilator and Battle Cannons and lascannons (the carapace stuff isn't really important)
Warmonger: An Emperor with Vengeance Cannon, Doomstrike Missiles, Lysander, Fire Control Centre and two Autocannon batteries (carapace weapns are rather more important here, especially the two first)

You can also make custom patterns.

Can't wait to see the result!

[commandervolfost]

I think you may have set yourself a bit of an impossible (damn near) task there.

[christars]

First of all, I punish myself for saying that the Emperor has twelve Void Shields. It has only (!) eight.

By the way, here's a link to the official EPIC rules for the Emperor Titan. Sorry if you don't get much out of it, but if you do, you'll notice that Speed, Armour, Close Combat and Firefight values are wierd. They are supposed to be 15 cm, 4+, 3+ and 3+.

www.specialist-games.com/assets/Fo52EpicGiants.pdf

As you can see, the Imperator has:

• Hellstorm Cannon and Plasma Annihilator
  
• Demolisher Cannon
  
• Defense Laser, what I call Las Battery and two of those I call Battle Cannon Battery
  

While the Warmonger has:

• Vengeance Cannon and Doomstrike Missiles
  
• Head Gun (the other Auxillary weapon)
  
• Two of those I call Flak Batteries, Lysander Fighter and Fire Control Centre.
  

Sorry for seemingly repeating myself so much, but I just need to get the details clear.

Also remember that these are the most common patterns, variations exist (like the self-invented Redemptor with two Vengeance Cannons, Head Gun and four Defense Lasers...)

OK, so to go a little into detail about the weapons in fluff:

Hellstorm Cannon: Think of a massive, way oversized Assault Cannon. Mostly the same: Fires a load of shots to pulverize infantry and to all right damage to lighter tanks. This weapons covers an absolutely insanely massive area. Mainly an anti-infantry weapon. Don't bother about what Dawn of War thinks here (hello, in Dawn of War, a Guardsman survives a krak missile to the head! It's not perfectly realistic...). "Preferred Enemy": Swarm armies.

Plasma Annihilator: Well, it's a plasma weapon! Heavy duty firepower, relatively swift firing, exellent to take out heavy infantry (like Space Marines (Terminators)) and large amounts of vehicles. Not so good on single targets or massed light infantry as some other weapons, but it is still a mighty weapon, with a gargantuan hit field. Unlike most plasma weapons, it does not suffer from overheating as the Tech Priests work very hard to prevent it. "Preferred Enemies": Space Marines and not-so-Super-Heavy-Armoured-Companies.

Vengeance Cannon: Essentially two overpowered Volcano Cannons in one weapon mount. Designed to snipe off Super-Heavy Tank formations (those are quite usual in Epic). "Preferred Enemy": Several Super-Heavy Tanks in a relatively small area.

Doomstrike Missiles: Mostly like eight Vortex missiles in one cluster. Only one missile is fired each turn. Since it's a Vortex weapon, I guess you can figure out how it's used. Maybe a tad overpowered, don't have more than one of these clusters please (vortex weapons are rare). "Preferred Enemy": Anything!

[Agi]

Good luck my freind

it will be hard but good luck

[hivefleetsiafu]

do WIP shots cause i cant wait to see this thing sounds insane,good luck

[krakenfiend]

Will do.....We are still kicking ideas around for dimensions and materials right now....this kind of project requires many months of planning (especially since we are making two of them). Thanks for everyone's input so far. You guys are great and have given me some good ideas.

krakenfiend

[christars]

You're still making the Imperator setup? I mean, it's the only one people actually know, so it wouldn't surprise me.

Don't remember all the "small" weapons, then!

[Dropfred]

In the apoc rules they have the warlord titan and that has 9 void shields and 9 stucture points

[MrPrInGlEs]

lol i say use a cheap princess castle for the top, convert it with some cardboard and/or old tanks.

[christars]

ballchinifex said:

In the apoc rules they have the warlord titan and that has 9 void shields and 9 stucture points

In case you were talking to me:

I could not care less about the Apocalypse rules for the Warlord (and Warhound, though those are all rightish). As a wannabe Epic player, I find the rules for the Warlord completely wrong in most respects, particularily in fluff and how the Warlord works elsewhere. Quake Cannon two shots? Scout weapons for carapace mount? And 9 Structure Points, which would be the main reason most people think that the Emperor has 12 Structure Points (actually, the Structure Points based on which Titan it is in the series (x=Warhound 1, Reaver 2, Warlord 3, Emperor 4) is not based on the linear formula STUCTUREPOINTS=3x, but on the formula STRUCTUREPOINTS=1,5x^3-9,5x^2+21x-10 (methinks; it's better than 3x at least, though harder to understand) (by the way, thus leading to the Castigator, the next line in Titan size, to have an incredible 45 Structure Points))?

If you were talking to me: Post issues with my rules in the Experimental Rules Here thread.

If you were not talking with me: ?

And as for princess castle: Yay. Don't let it be pink.