Rules questions

[zangetsu]

Does Veil of Time only last one turn or can you use it every turn?

Can you use it and the force weapon?

[arcticsnake]

Does Veil of Time only last one turn or can you use it every turn?

Yes and yes. See Codex: Marines p26

Can you use it and the force weapon?

You shouldn't be able to. A model can only use one psychic power in a turn as stated in Codex:Marines p26 and under Force Weapons BGB p46.

Edited for Clarity.

[sephiroth00055]

Does the Veil of time let the space marines rerole everything that turn? Or does he get to pick one thing that reroles.

[obit]

sephiroth00055 said:

Does the Veil of time let the space marines rerole everything that turn? Or does he get to pick one thing that reroles.

I believe its everything that turn.

My question.. Can the space marine player use the Force axe during the opponents turn or just on his own turn...

[zangetsu]

I have a new question are the Hurracane bolters 3 TL Boltguns? As are they able to double tap?

[Devil's Advocate]

the Hurricane bolters on the Land raider are 3 twin-linked bolters mounted on a single sponson.

since it is mounted on a vehicle, they may always shoot 3 shots (per sponson) at 24" or 6 shots (per sponson) at 12". (as long as the movement of the vehicle allows defensive weapons to be shot.. i.e. the vehicle moved less than 12")

Furthermore, they are twin-linked and may reroll any missed shot.

[zangetsu]

Wait I thought the Bolters got to shot 6 at 24 range because its a stable firing platform?

Well in that case can bolters double tap 24" if they don't move?

[serif]

as for the original question... I LOVE VEIL OF TIME... i give my libby a bike, artificer armour, an iron halo, and bionics. I cast Veil, then Turboboost, thus granted a rerollable 2+ invulnerable against all subsequent shooting, then next turn I recast it, move a further 12" and then charge whoever I want to, rerolling all hits and wounds, then on the opponents assault phase I use the force weapony goodness on any IC's. Because Veil lasts THROUGH his turn, I don't have to recast it to benefit from its effects in my opponents turn, thereby getting rerollable force weapon hits, wounds, and frapps! For 10 points, I love this power! (take it as your first power and it's only 10 points)

the hurricane bolters... it doesn't matter that it is a stable platform, the BOLTER can only fire 12" if it rapid fires. What it's attached to makes no difference. It's a matter of the Bolter's limitations.

[Devil's Advocate]

zangetsu said:

Wait I thought the Bolters got to shot 6 at 24 range because its a stable firing platform?

Well in that case can bolters double tap 24" if they don't move?

technically speaking, you're right, insofar as that there are 2 sponsons of 3 twinlinked bolters on each sponson.

But each sponson is considered a different weapon system. just because I have a Crusader at 18" from your Hgaunt brood doesn't mean I get to fire all my weapons.

Each sponson and weapon must draw LOS to the target.
Each sponson and weapon must be in range to the target.
The vehicle's movement must allow for the weapon to shoot.
Since one Hurricane bolter sponson has 3 twin linked bolters, I can shoot 3 twin linked shots from a single sponson at a target up to 24" or rapid fire the 3 twin linked bolters at a target up to 12" away, thus getting 6 shots.

the only thing that mounting the weapon on a stable platform is allow you to ignore the rule about limiting the range based on whether the model moved or not. (you know, that rule where if you give marines bolters and march them 6", they can't shoot a target at 24")

[coredump]

then on the opponents assault phase I use the force weapony goodness on any IC's. Because Veil lasts THROUGH his turn,

Except is specifically states it does *not* last through his turn.

[serif]

yes I know, I reread it and was severly annoyed at myself for misreading it.... oh well...

[Krueger]

Considering the way that the game is made, I'm going to assume that you cannot use the force weapon in the opponents turn IF you use a psychic power in your phase. My reasoning for this, is that the turns are based around what you would be able to do before your opponent. For example, the reason that if you were 6 and 1/12 of an inch away from the enemy and couldn't assault isn't because your men wouldn't slog that extra half a metre, it's that the enemy would have been able to shoot at you again in the time it took them to walk that extra half a metre. So if you have already casted a power, your enemy would have chance to shoot you before you were physically ready to use another power.

That being said, I actually don't have the rule book anywhere near by...So it's just an educated guess...

[serif]

that one I am sure about. The two players turns are treated as seperate for rules operations. IE, i can cast Might of Heroes or use my force weapon in my opponents assault phase as it is a completely seperate turn. You may not agree... but you weren't there when the rules were penned, so as they are is all we have to go by.

[sephiroth00055]

But there is a difference between player turns and game turns. A normal game of 40K lasts six game turns. It does not last 3 turns for you and three turns for your opponent. I was told that unless the rule makes mention that it is for the players turn, to treat it as if it were for a game turn. (Thats what I was told)

[coredump]

Whenever you are 'told' a rule, you should ask to 'see' the rule.

There is no such rule in the book, and the opposite is spelled out in the FAQ