Epic: Armageddon

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Hi guys, I recently wanted to start an Epic army, specifically Imperial Guard. I wanted to ask someone who already plays Epic if they could help me out with my list. I made a list already, but I think it's unbalanced.

4000 Pt list:
Regimental HQ - 500 PTS
Steel Legion Mechanised Infantry - 400 PTS
Steel Legion Mechanised Infantry - 400 PTS
Steel Legion Mechanised Infantry - 400 PTS
Tank Company + Vanquisher - 650 PTS
Super Heavy Tanks (2 Bandblades, 1 Stormsword) - 500 PTS
Marauder Bombers - 300 PTS
Warlord-class Battle Titan - 850 PTS

This is my first list, and I never played epic so I don't know what to expect.
Thanks for the help in advance.

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Anybody? :\

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Oh come on, someone HAS to play epic here.

[Overread]

I tried when it came out - but unfortunatly now only marines, IG and orks have any modles for sale in Epic 0 and the titans have been cut down to almost nothing
Its a sad state, though I have heard that GW might be bringing some life to its specialist games - starting with bloodbowl (considering how many people still play that game I can't understand why they dumped it so much as they did)
And so I hope that epic gets some much needed attention and models -- alone with a WE warmaster army (why araby first!)

[Psychichobo]

I believe Blood Bowl is actually coming out as a videogame, so that'd probably shift some models..

[koran]

I play epic and that list is not unmalenced in the slightest. Infact its worse than many of the armies I have played against. The thing is that most armies in epic are very difficult to make unbalenced because the missions are objective based.

Im going to also popint out that you REALLY need some anti-air (so hydra flack tanks) or your going to be in a world of hurt.

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Wait so is my list repulsive or decent? (apart from aa, but I got two marauder bombers for AA :\ )

[koran]

Its neither. The list is nice(ish) but it is not at all over powered, infact it might be slightly underpowered. Mechanised infantry just arnt that good for the 400pts. I dont have my copy of the rules here so I cant make an example but I think against lots of armies (marines especially) your in for a tought time.

Marauder bombers arnt that good for AA, flak tanks do it better and the guard ones are actually good at other things too (which is a rarity).

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Well, when you have a chance, can you write up a Marine list please? (not guardsmen)?

[koran]

Just a general one or one I would take against your army?

[ErA | zoe)ender]

A general one would be nice.

[ErA | zoe)ender]

OK I tried to write up a Marine list:
(4000 points)
Warlord - 850
Battle Barge - 350
Terminators + 4 Land Raiders + Chaplain - 775
Landing Craft - 350 (Terminators and Raiders in Craft)
2 Tactical Squads with Hunters - 375 Each
Thunderhawk - 200
2 Assaults - 350 (In Thunderhawk)
2 Marauders - 300
Scouts (in Drop Pods) - 150


total 3975

SLIGHTLY better? :\

[koran]

Yes.... Youve spotted one of the most scary thing in the marine list.... Terminators in a landing craft. Land, retain initiative and assault. Can you really have 4 landraiders in it though... Either way those terminators are going to want to be in assault, not shooting, and the transport can land them where ever needed. So why not add to their assault factor, swap those raiders out for dreadnoughts ;p Alot more fun ;p Id also swap the chaplain for a captain... With retaining the initiative theres a chance you could fail your assault with the terminators leaving them standin in the open... Make sure they get that charge, take the captain. If you look at this there was nothing in your guard army to stop this, and they would take out anything youve got.

Next on the list, the battlebarge. I have NEVER managed to make any of the planetary strikes work and your just spending alot of points on something that cant claim, spend the points on something better.

Scouts Ive never liked but Ive heard reports of them being used very well.

You seem ver determined to take a warlord in your list ;p I personally find that two warhounds do a better job but if you want something big and stompy go for it ;p

The last thing I would say is that you have 850pts of aireal attack craft, be they thunderhawks, marauders or landing craft. Well the landing craft/terminator/dread/captain is probably the most powerful combo marines have (and what I have as a deathwing assault force ;p) so dont think about taking that out. So maybe take out the maurauders or the thunderhawk... Now Ive never had a thunderhawk do anything of note, its the units inside that do, and the assault marines are fast enough on their own... So maybe take that out, but then the thunderhawk is cheaper and more in character... Its up to you.

If youve made these changes youve just free's up alot of points.... Maybe take a predator contingent (they can rock pretty hard) as you dont have much ranged to take out titans or tanks....

Hoped that helped a bit. It may seem like it but Im not ripping your list appart, that you noticed the landing craft terminator possibility shows alot of promise. I will make a list once Im home.

Anything else just ask, and welcome to the most tactical game in the GW line.

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Thanks man!
The only things I am determined to keep is the Warlord, and the Landing Craft with Terminators. I needed a Spacecraft to use the Landing Craft and Drop-pods, But the scouts in a pod were a last resort - to take an objective that is not taken by an enemy or me. I was relying on the Raiders to take out titans, but I see they will be the FIRST target because they are my only tanks.... ^^

Just when you get the time, please write a list up for marines, but WITH A WARLORD!!!

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Oh come on :\