5th Edition Rending/Living Metal?

[nidplayer]

Just wondering if the living metal rule for the necron monolith applies to the 5th edition rending rules. i was finding it hard to comprehend this due to the fact that it has a D6 and a D3 for armour penetration whilst the living metal rule applies to 2D6 for armour penetration.

[sooch[TVTP]]

Except for powerfists etc, you only get your unmodified str +D6, so no rending on a monolith.

[zeewulf]

And thusly, the Vanquisher remains a good anti-monolith friend.

[Helonion]

SLEDGEHAMMER FTW

[Hyper Kinetic]

Living Metal is essentially "Everything only gets 1D6 for Penetration".
Interesting use of terminology (D3 vs D6) though, so it was a good catch.

[nidplayer]

ok thanx guys

[kanageddaamen]

Well, not exactly "Everything gets a D6," anything that uses a special rule, rather than strength, gets to use its special rule (ie bio acid mines)

[sooch[TVTP]]

No lol...the codex entry says you only get unmodified str +D6 to penetrate the monolith. The FAQ specifically says that weapons that double strength get to use their double strength against the monolith (lightning claws, thunder hammers, powerfists, etc.). You still only get +D6 though, nothing has changed about that. Called the GW Roolzboyz and they agree...so that's that.

[flyingspoon]

basically means that the monolith is still a large floating piece of stilton even more so in 5th ed where it's reached maturation

[zeewulf]

Well, the way a vanquisher rolls is Str+2D6...and it adds it all together (So you have a potential to get a roll + str to equal 20), no "roll 2d6, pick the highest" or anything like that. So it should be fine, right? Unless the rule guys said the vanquisher is included under that...

[Psychichobo]

I think the general intention is to have it allow only 1d6 +strength when penetrating. The Vindicare's turbo-penetrator round used to be an exception, though that FAQ's not around anymore, so not sure. I'd just stop trying to find odd exceptions and use str 9+ or str 8 ap 1. Or ignore it and go necron smooshing.

[sooch[TVTP]]

Aug 12, 2008 19:01:14 GMT Psychichobo said:

I think the general intention is to have it allow only 1d6 +strength when penetrating. The Vindicare's turbo-penetrator round used to be an exception, though that FAQ's not around anymore, so not sure. I'd just stop trying to find odd exceptions and use str 9+ or str 8 ap 1. Or ignore it and go necron smooshing.

Pretty much.

@zaewulf: I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it - you only ever get unmodified Str + D6 for penetration, with the exceptions being thunder hammers lightning claws powerfists and the like. NO rolling Str +2D6, NO rolling Str +D6+D3, NO rolling for AV12 due to lance weapons.

[kanageddaamen]

The Tyranid FAQ clearly states that "Bio acid mines do not use their strength when penetrating armour and always roll 2d6+3" (not an exact quote)

Anything that does not use its strength value for armour penn, like bio acid mines, roll whatever their special roll is.

Living metal does not allow an extra die roll for rules that state its an extra die roll (ie, MCs "Roll an additional D6...") but if its a special rule that states it "Rolls X for AP" (like BA spore mines) then you get to roll that, especially since the FAQ states you ALWAYS roll that for AP.

[sooch[TVTP]]

Aug 13, 2008 12:49:58 GMT @kanageddaamen said:

Anything that does not use its strength value for armour penn, like bio acid mines, roll whatever their special roll is.quote]

Name another example other than bio-acid mines where strength is not used for armor penn and instead special rules are used. There is no such rule...it's pretty crystal clear (and I've called multiple GW rules representatives) that they don't get their bonus penetration dice.

[invictus]

Calling GW means nothing. Bio-Acid Mines do have a special rule, go look in the FAQ.

Bio Acid mines "do not use their basic strength and apply a special rule instead. Bio-Acid Spore Mines always roll 2d6+3 to penetrate vehicle armour, giving an average value of 10." There is no bonus die at all, it is a special rule. So yes Living metal ignores bonus dice, but there is none involved here.

As I stated before though and has been said by others too, If you are depending on spore mines to take out the Monolith there is something wrong.