Space Marine codex rumors from BoLS

[graveaccomplice]

Have fun kiddies:

OK people, the dex is back from the printers and it's a real peach! Base rules written Jervis, trimmings written by Matthew Hoggard I think his name is.

The info bellow is 100% taken from a final print new SM dex.

Codex
144 pages. (twice he size of the necron dex)
Written by Jervis + Matt
Cover art of Ultramarines
Section for each of the Chapters of Legend (like Eldar Craftworlds in C:Eldar) but without any in-game rules.

General Marine Rules
Combat Squads works as codex Dark angels. 1 Heavy 1 special.
New marine rule, based on Ld, called Comabt tactics.
New Drop pod rule.
Traits dissapear.
Free frag grenades, krak grenades and bolt pistols.

Unit Rules
new techmarine rules has a new option in the form of the thunderfire
Master of the forge, has a conversion beamer.
new land raider variant, called the Redeemer with Str 6 AP3 flamer sponsons and twin linked assault cannon. Sallies like this and the colour section has one in sallies colours.
3 Dread variants. Again sallies seem to favour the new Ironclad Dread which is like a heavy assault/breaching dread. (AV13)
New Veteran rules - Tactical Vets (special ammo like death watch.), and Assault vets (can have jump packs and an assaulted array of nasty CC weapons) can deep strike and assault in the same turn.
Scout bikers will remain.
No two special weapons even for Sallies .
5 man terminator squads 1 heavy.
Commander in terminator armour on a bike or has a jump pack has no bearing on army selection. However special characters do.
Rites of battle is gone. But marine captain get Halos

Special Characters
11 specials which add chapter traits to your army, Calgar, Tigirius, Lysander, Shrike, Kronos, Sicarius, Kantor, Tu'Shan (WTF really hard guy probably the best SM charater in the game but at 200+ points...), Cassius, White Scar guy and scout character, all will have models.

Other Stuff
Drop pod kit looks similar to the forgworld kit but is hollow with seats around the edges and a control table in the middle. Storm bolter come down from the ceiling of the pod when deployed.
Drop pod kit priced about the same as rhino's (£18)
Codex release date is October
Plastic LR redeemer/crusader
Plastic Scout bikers, imaging scouts on scrambler bikes!
Retooled Plastic Land speeder + another new varient which works with scout squads call land speeder storm.
Scouts have helfire heavy bolter rouns but are WS and BS 3 and are still troops
Thunderfire a thuddgun/molemortar cross.
New metal range (I think more metal vets!..... again.... mmmm jump packs!)
New Sicarus now has hair and a beard! *shrugs* go figure!
Razor back has may weapon option, twin heavy bolter, Heavy Flamers, Assault Cannons, Multimelta, Lascannon, and Lascon and twin plasma guns.
New HQ units.

Marines are now what you may call pretty hard!

HQ

Specials
Captain
Master of the forge
Librarians
Chaplains

ELITES

Terminators
Vanguard Vets (tact vets)
Vets (assault vets)
Dreadnough
Venerable Dreadnought
Iornclad Dreadnought
Techmarines - Thunderfire

TROOPS

Tactical Marines
Scouts

TRANSPORTS

Rhino
Razorback
Drop Pod
Land Speeder Strom (Scouts only)

ASSAULT

Assault Marines
Bikes
Scout Biks
Attack Bikes
Landspeeder

HEAVY SUPPORT

Preadator
Devastators
Vindicator
Wirlwind
Land Raider
Land Raider Crusader
Land Raider Redeemer"

~There is talk about the marine special rule being voluntary fallback, and the possibility of veterans being able to deepstrike and charge on the same turn. Wow, voluntary fallback, and the conversion beamer makes their return. Thats a lot of cool stuff in there. More as we get it, and as usual, Caveat Emptor folks.

[yoritomo]

You realize that every vehicle except the whirlwind, predator, and rhino can now have an assault cannon. And that's just what the space marines needed, more assault cannons.

[WestRider]

Ugh, I didn't even notice that the Razorback got an Assault Cannon option when I first saw this. Just wonderful.

[ryshi]

thank god for that, razorbacks with the firepower to take out fex's and whatnot.

[Enigma]

Well, there is the rending nerf to bounce back the more assault cannons.

[rakados]

They might change assault cannons hopefully.

[The Custodian]

So? Fexs are still affected very simalarly by rending. Unless the new rules make MC's immune to rending...

[yoritomo]

I hate to break it to you but the assault cannon didn't get nerfed as much as you think. It still has a better chance of defeating an Av 14 vehicle than a lascannon and only causes 15% less wounds to infantry than it did before. I'd take that nerf if it let me put an assault cannon with each of my units.

[ryshi]

it's true, so it went from to hit to the wound roll...okay..... still totally allows auto wounds off big creatures and considering the BS of most non-nid armies(aka space marines) they hit a lot more often shooting as is.

The fact is that it's going from sure the weapon is a little less deadly, but now we can take a crapton more of them

[yoritomo]

No, the key is that the assault cannon is S 6.

When we us rending we have a 50-50 chance of not wounding someone. That's why rending on the to hit roll is so important, we don't have to worry about failing that 50-50 chance to wound.

But with the assault cannon all your hits are going to wound (Ok, 85%). Because the wound roll is almost trivial it doesn't matter when the rending roll happens. You're not going to get any extra wounds because you rend on the to hit roll like you would with a genestealer.

Besides, the razorback is probably going to have a twin-linked assault cannon. That's 8/9 hits per shot. It's almost to the point where you don't need to roll to hit. It wouldn't matter if you roll rending on the to hit or to wound since you're rolling just as many dice to hit as you are to wound.

Thanks GW, that's all the space marine las/plas armies need, assault cannons instead of heavy bolters on their razorbacks.


P.S. I've been thinking. There's the ball predator, so predators can have assault cannons. And if you count the razorback as a variant of the rhino that would mean that the only vehicle that can't have an assault cannon is the whirlwind.

[lazarus]

Sorry am I missing something in asking how the vindicator can take one? Or does it count as a variant of something?

[yoritomo]

No, that's my bad. I forgot about the vindicator. But then again the demolisher cannon is the one weapon that may be better than the assault cannon (large blast with Ap 2, instant kill goodness).

[flyingspoon]

well I can say that games workshop is going to make a massive profit on the space marine release which is good in a way but it does mean more space marine players which is what we don't need as it seems every man and his dog quite literally plays space marines or chaos space marines though i can hardly tell the difference anymore the odd option at best

[Facade [TVTP]]

I hate marines....well at least their new cheesy rules.

Nids aren't really gonna get anything good. The rules just keep taking away from Nids

[graveaccomplice]

Everyone's new codex seems to give upgraded goodsness (look towards orcs. Rend all you want, they'll make more). Nids will get theirs... it just might be awhile. Until then, we get an upgraded FAQ when 5th ed comes out. We'll see what happens then.