Want to start Eldar

[ErA | zoe)ender]

I want to start Eldar, but with the rule change, my ideas changed a lot. Is there an Eldar player who can help me out here? I want a more fast Eldar Army, that has a mean bite in CC. ie: No people on foot, except maby snipers, no avatars, nothing that can't be loaded to a wave serpent, or be mounted on a jetbike (exceptions above) My HQ I was thinking about a Farseer in a wave serpent, Harliquins, and Troops- 2-3 full squads of dire avengers, or guardians, all loaded in wave serpents. For big things, I plan to have 1 or 2 fire prisms. But thats minimal - HQ: Farseer, Troops: 2, MABY 3 dire avengers all in wave serpents, heavy: 1-2 fire prisms. Everything else is workable. I don't really know what that list would need to make up for its disadvantages. One obvious one is that my only real anti tank is the fire prism, it goes down, there goes all my armies AT. Any suggestions here? Thanks!

[romorini]

I've been toying with the idea of picking up Eldar myself. I personally would put a Farseer on a bike before putting them in wave serpents, as psychic powers can't be used from vehicles. If you want some mean CC, you can use shining spears, with strength six power weapons on the charge, add withdraw and you've get a nice flanking unit. Warlocks accompanying the jetbike farseer would improve her viability too if kitted out properly. There are jetbike guardians if you want something to help cover for the shining spears, and those count as troops. To help flesh out your heavy support, there's always the popular fire dragons in a decently pimped Falcon.

Are you aiming simply for a fast army, or something more specific? Because the eldar have two kinds of jump infantry to utilize. Remember that the key to eldar lists is having specialists do their job, not to have specialists do a job. Be careful how much you limit yourself.

[Hive Fleet Green Locust]

It sounds like you want to run Saim-Hann. Jetbikes are great troops as they can deny points and capture objectives quickly.

Here's a good site to explore tactics: saimhann.blogspot.com/

and some of my stuff: s178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/goblinmaster/Saim-Hann%20Eldar/

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Ya I want an army which is in wave serpents, or on jetbikes. Tank killers would be skimmers, etc. So in short, nothing on foot. with the new rule change, only people on foot can take objectives, so i will put dire avengers in serpents, HQ on jetbike maby with shining spears... so on so forth. thanks though, OR i have a horribly painted space marine army... should I buy new space marines? or stick with nids and eldar?

[romorini]

I'd recommend playing what feels right, run some proxy games, and don't base too many decisions on rumored rules.

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Well I am almost positive that I wont make my choice before October, let alone before the new rules come out. But I have nobody really that is an EXPERT Eldar player, other than the manger at GW who says "go with what you want" every question I ask him. He is most likely sick of my questions though....

[CylonDorado]

Well, it's probably because in going with what you want, you'll probably be able to make it work eventually. If you like fast stuff, get some fast stuff. Dire avengers in a wave serpent kick ass (I've just started playing Eldar, and they're my MVP's). You can even put gaurdians in a wave serpent if you want. Your idea could work great, because you can put about whatever you want in a wave serpent. Troops-dire avengers, anti tank-fire dragons. CC? Banchees in a wave serpent. The only problem is, all these things are required to get on their feet A LITTLE, but you could always use skimmers for anti tank, or whatever. It's a cool idea.

[lazarus]

I wouldnt worry too much about anti tank. If your planning on having a fair few wave serpents, giving them twin linked bright lances should be reasonably effective. As would a fire prism. (or 2)

[CylonDorado]

True, buuuut... Most people shun using wave serpents as gunships. I guess it could work though.

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Hmm... Because what I plan on doing (I dont have the codex yet) is to drop the dire avengers at the destination, and then use the serpents to nuke tanks, or infantry, OR do the fish of fury for eldar (Jump out, shoot, jump in, star engines) How does that sound, and as for everything else - In a wave serpent, Falcon, or on a jet bike. It should be a LIGHTNING fast army, as the main advantage here is speed.

[Hive Fleet Green Locust]

You can't "Jump out, shoot, jump in, star engines" in the same turn. But Dires in Serpents work well as they can't shoot the turn after Bladestorming. So jumping out, shooting then next turn jumping in and go somewhere else is no lose of shooting for Dires.

I would get at least 1 jetbike unit (buy a shining spear set or 2; it has 3 JB sprues for $10 less than 3 JB's bought seperately). Other than that Dires & Fire Prisms are perfect for what you want. As for HQ, I personally like Autarchs the most, but tactically Farseers can add much more to the army.

I would wait til the new rules come out though, as Saim-hann is rumored to get downgraded badly (no skimmers moving fast, vehicles not scoring). For a new player, you might not notice the difference and might even find some neat new combos, but those who have been playing Saim-Hann will have to alter our tactics a bit (hopefully without changing lists too much).

And by the way, it will hopefully be TROOPS & Infantry that score, not both. So all Elite Eldar units will score and TROOP jetbikes as well.