choosing an army (fantasy)

[genestealer1414]

ok im having a problem similar to someone else on the hive except with fantasy.
of the armies im looking to use im thinking

Beasts of Chaos
Daemons of Chaos
Dark Elves
Lizardmen
Ogre Kingdoms
Orcs & Goblins
Skaven
Tomb Kings

i usually play with a horde army (ive used orcs[both 40k and fantasy]and nids) but i also enjoy playing a shooty army like tau.

what should i use?

[flyingspoon]

I'd go skaven as you get alot of models as caln rats are really quite cheap as a slaves being the cheapest unit in the game and you get alot of shooting things jessails ratling guns warp lighting cannons warp fire throwers

[genestealer1414]

i was thinking dar elves or beastmen... r they any good?
{edit} ok now im thinking skaven because i am reading their book. i got it on a pdf format file. they are prettty beastly... except for their leadership.. i like the jezellians or wtv they are called

[Biowraith]

For a hoard army there is no contests: bring on the slaves!

[genestealer1414]

ok... i think im using skaven as of now, but ill give it 3 more days for people to respond.also it would be cool if one of u guys could give me an army list for 1000 pts or sometthing...

[ErA | zoe)ender]

Ok Question - did you ever play fantasy before? If not, don't play skaven. People tell me they got a whole lot of special rules. I started off with lizardmen, and they are fairly simple to play with.

[The Custodian]

Allot of people tend to look upon Skaven as 'broken' a bit... But ive heard they are tons of fun to play you may want skaven... I personnaly am a Vampire Count player (similar a bit to skaven in that you get dirt cheap units but no need to worry all that much about leadership ... Only sad part is there is almost no shooting (apart from magic) with COunts

[genestealer1414]

ok. i have played for abotu 1 year. ive used orcs vampires and ogres.i liked the orcs but hated that animosity rule. vampires were good but i was unstoppable and was sick of winning without losing a single guy every time i played, and ogres i like so i just use bulls and lead belchers and use them as dogs of war. counts were just too good and my friends didnt want to play with me anymore...

[meeki]

Count's aren't THAT good, anyways there is a new book out for Vampire Counts, I hear that it is a tough list no matter how you build it but is beatable.

Skaven are a fun army, my friend has played them for about 10 years now, and still plays them from time to time. Their current book can build some very broken lists (gunline and warp lists) but a balanced list is tough, fair, and can be beaten.

As far as low leadership goes don't forget to read the special rules on +leadership for each rank a unit has up to a certain max (+5?). The real kicker is that this bonus only applies when you have to make leadership checks from losing in combat or when you suffer casualties from shooting (including magic missiles) but this may have been changed.

Their characters are cheap and have some decent stats, the bonus is you can take alot of cheap casters (warlocks) that can obtain a dangerous magic missile. Your warlord can be pretty beastly but the variety and number of characters is a far better advantage than a tooled skaven warlord.

I just started to build a Hordes of Chaos army (I'm also awaiting the new Demon book). They seem fun but their basic foot troops are pretty much garbage. Beasts of chaos can create quite a solid horde army with some fun support units, the only problem is their heavy hitters are either characters that are expensive or expensive (money and point wise) special/rare units such as Mino's so that takes away from a horde concept. You can literally make a whole army of Minotaurs, even your general can be one, sort of a Minotaur "horde".

Dark Elves, don't waste your money their book is weak and you need to be a pretty experienced player to win with them.

Tomb Kings can be a "hordey" army but everytime I see a Tomb King Army it looks pretty much the same. Seems like their troop choice is limited but I haven't really seen them used in a while. The egyptian theme is fun and you can have a (please do not swear) ton of chariots and mounted skeletons and what not.

Lizardmen, another solid army with a fair amount of variety. One of the most common builds is a Nike Saurus Hero with a Cloak of Feathers Skink shaman. Basically the Nike saurus runs around with some great speed hitting units flanks or chasing around war machine crews while the shaman does similar. You can also have a Slann led army, a magic using fat toad that hides behind terrain and chucks spells around but you can play your list magic lite with a low level slann and take hordes of skinks and some heavy hitters.

Daemons of chaos, wait until their new book comes out if you want to play them. With the exception of Khorne they are EXPENSIVE to purchase, everything is pewter except the new blood letters. The daemon book seems to contain the ability to mix and match types of daemons more so than the HoC or SoC books allow you to. I personally think they will be fun but will cost and arm and a leg, luckily I have 40 horrors I bought for cheap(the new ones even) awaiting the book.

Hope this helps, if you chose Skaven make sure you check what plastics are out before you buy metals. I believe that the Clanrat plastic box set can be fielded as slaves or as clanrats, which usually make up the bulk of a skaven army.

[Virtual Falcon]

If I ever move into fantasy, which I might in the distant future, I'll probably go Lizardmen just because of the fact they are similar to Nids in the reptile-type-thing appoach.

[The Custodian]

The thing about counts is that they are very character dependant in many respects and hordy... Ive played 2 games so far with my new counts... 1 was a crushing defeat (my first game vs dwarves.. My casting sucked tho) and a tie agaisnt an empire player... I have yet to hear of anyone say the Counts are strong in my area but I think its starting to creep into the place... Mainly my foes have a strong and High Elf feeling...

My suggestion is try some of your friends armies out... Pick the one you like the most.

[genestealer1414]

ok i went with skaven. i bought the book, plague monks, and clanrats. i think im going to use clan skryre and pestilens more than the other 2.