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[No One]

It's a different model with a different statline: same as familiars. Edit: Is different to IG/neophytes though? I think this would probably be better though.

[acehilator]

Feb 4, 2019 3:11:29 GMT kazetanade said:

I'm not sure a rusted claw is worth bringing just for that, but I love the idea. Quick Q though, why are demo charges capped at 5? Is it strategem related or is it unit related?

Uhm... you should be using Rusted Claw anyways because their cult creed is the best for all non-melee units anyways (unless you are planning on running Neophytes with Mining Lasers). Getting access to the stratagem is just icing on the cake.

You can also just run Jackals without equipment as what may well be the best screening unit in the game. As Rusted Claw, 165 points for 36 HP, 4.6ppw on T4 models with 4+/5+ against AP0/AP-1, with unconditional -1 to hit. That is some crazy stuff right there. Obviously increased vulnerability against multidamage weapons, but still.

[acehilator]

Alright, another troll combo, now with added "You want to be THAT GUY", OVER 9000 pitchforks guaranteed:

1. take a Patriarch and give him the the "Mental Onslaught" power (6+, 18" range, caster and target roll 1d6 + Ld, caster wins = 1MW, roll again until target dead or target ties/wins the roll)
2. give him the the WL trait "Inspiring Leader" for +1 Ld
3. position a Clamavus within 6" for another +1 Ld, making your minimum roll on Mental Onslaught a 13
4. take a BB Astropath and give him the "Terrifying Visions" power (7+, 18" range, target gets -2 Ld)
5. congratulations, if both powers got cast successfully, you now deal unlimited damage to Ld8 targets, and insane amounts of damage to Ld9 targets (opponent can only beat you if you roll a 1 and he rolls a 6 on the same roll, so reroll your first 1 to even deny him the opportunity for a 6 and you should be good to go)

Point cost of the "I don't want to see that unit anymore" package is 206 (125 + 55 + 26). FAQ for this is going to be interesting, rofl.

[Hive Bahamut]

Don't forget about the Horror for -1Ld

Jorm Relic is -1Ld too

[killercroc]

Try this on a Knight Gallant, it's going to be real cute! Just with the GSC combo alone visions make him Ld 7 so max he can get is a 13 and minimum you can get is a 13 you can kill one of the most overpowered knights in the current meta for 206 points... HA!

[Osedaxx]

I assume you mean't 'Patriarch' not 'Primarch'? Either way this combo is can kill a Primarch, Knight, LOW, anything really. So awesome!


Edit: I thought LD couldn't go above 10 now that I'm thinking about it. Anyone know if they took that out for 8th?

[acehilator]

Feb 4, 2019 15:49:20 GMT Osedaxx said:

I assume you mean't 'Patriarch' not 'Primarch'? Either way this combo is can kill a Primarch, Knight, LOW, anything really. So awesome!


Edit: I thought LD couldn't go above 10 now that I'm thinking about it. Anyone know if they took that out for 8th?

Woops, good catch. And a quick search for "leadership" in the BRB shows that abilites cannot be modified below 1, no other relevant results. I don't think they put anything in an Errata/FAQ. Although capping Ld at 10 would actually be an elegant solution to this problem.

[killercroc]

It's honestly a great way for GSC to melt tanks, most have low leadership and nobody ever thinks about putting Ld buff characters by tanks so this is a sneaky way to hurt a unit that typically is hard for us to kill.

[kazetanade]

Feb 4, 2019 14:47:38 GMT acehilator said:

Feb 4, 2019 3:11:29 GMT kazetanade said:

I'm not sure a rusted claw is worth bringing just for that, but I love the idea. Quick Q though, why are demo charges capped at 5? Is it strategem related or is it unit related?

Uhm... you should be using Rusted Claw anyways because their cult creed is the best for all non-melee units anyways (unless you are planning on running Neophytes with Mining Lasers). Getting access to the stratagem is just icing on the cake.

You can also just run Jackals without equipment as what may well be the best screening unit in the game. As Rusted Claw, 165 points for 36 HP, 4.6ppw on T4 models with 4+/5+ against AP0/AP-1, with unconditional -1 to hit. That is some crazy stuff right there. Obviously increased vulnerability against multidamage weapons, but still.

Honestly I was looking at Bladed Cog as the go to, for 6+ 6++ 6+++ combo. The fact that they also ignore Heavy when moving is just beautiful for my original Neophyte config of Double Grenade Double Lasers on every group, whereas I don't get much benefit for anything not a bike in Rusted Claw (ie 100% of my collection).

Initial look at Atalans says they're bad, since they get this melee weapon that's pointless, have autopistols stock, and no guns on the bike. 'if they all get power axes or hammers or whatever, then maybe they can do some work, although I wish they had 2A each or some Hammer of Wrath on the charge or something. Even then I might not run them as Rusted Claw, because Pauper Princes or Twisted Helix starts looking nice in that light.

Still early though. There's plenty of time to shake out what's the best thing out there, but my bet is on FAE and Helix as main entrees for most armies, and Cog comes in as a occasional tertiary.

[kazetanade]

Feb 4, 2019 15:49:20 GMT Osedaxx said:

I assume you mean't 'Patriarch' not 'Primarch'? Either way this combo is can kill a Primarch, Knight, LOW, anything really. So awesome!


Edit: I thought LD couldn't go above 10 now that I'm thinking about it. Anyone know if they took that out for 8th?

That's 7th Ed, no characteristics could go above 10.

[anomandaris]

I can see Mental Onslaught definitely getting FAQd after the first few rage quits haha, I wouldn't go out spending money on that combo. Hilarious fun for the moment though!

[purestrain]

Just remembered the new abby formation from vigilus. Warlord a bomb relic doesn't have the -1 hit and is ap-4, get that +1 charge range and can still be a <CULT>. Couple that with the primus and being the cult that gives +1 str and a banner (if you can mush them together well enough) plus the 2cp 4+++ makes them nigh unstoppable imo.

I love aberrant 🤩🤩😍😍

[acehilator]

kazetanade: Well I already said Cog is better than Claw if using Mining Lasers, but regarding defense, the Claw trait is better than the 6++. 6+++ can be used by everybody, so not relevant.

Also not sure how Jackals can be considered bad just because they are weak in melee, lol. Those numbers speak for themselves. Shotguns are nice and zero points, they can take Cultists Knives for +1A that are also zero points, and even fully kitted out with three Incinerators and five Demo Charges the unit is still at only 6.44ppw, which is crazy regarding available buffs and stratagems. Might even leave the Incinerators at home so you can advance and still shoot everything at 5.28ppw.

For 2 CP, just the Demo Charges deal 7.78 damage against a Knight with 4++. That is around 155-170 points, so with small arms fire on other targets the unit almost makes back it's points in one round for 2 CP. If you attack targets without Invuls, wellll... 12.96 vs T8/3+, 16.2 vs T7/3+. So you pretty much always make back your points in one turn. Haven't done the math yet, but I am pretty sure that the Jackal Alphus would increase efficiency in all cases even further.

[kazetanade]

Ah, I'm just going off of incontrols review, and the only gimmick they have which costs 4 or 5 CP to do. I was listening more than looking, so based on his analysis they didn't seem very good.

Still, he's not infallible, so I'm looking forward to having codex in hand and looking at some of these things myself later on.

[killercroc]

There are a lot of combos it seems, can't wait to check out the book myself and see just what it offers. I'm still on the fence as to which cult to run as there is the option of picking by fluff, paint scheme or effective combos... 4 armed emperor, Twisted helix, or Rusted claw.