Consolidation question!

[yarlun]

Hey guys!!! So I was at a local tournament on Saturday. And my opponent and I came to the scenario where my stealers and 1 flyrant charged a group of AM infantry. I swung first with the stealers and wiped them all out. I charged the flyrant on purpose because if I consolidated I would do so into his tank commander. However, my opponent stated because the flyrant did not actually attack anything, I shouldn't be able to consolidate... even though I see it as technically winning the fight. Nothing in the BRB says I cannot, but he was adamant that this was to be the case. In the end we rolled off and I won, so I consolidated into the commander.

What does the hive think?

[kazetanade]

You played it correctly. The fight phase works as follows;

1. Pick eligible target. This is either a unit that charged, or a unit within 1" of an enemy unit.

2. Pile in 3" to nearest enemy model, on a model by model basis.

3. Choose the target unit to be hit by how many Attacks with what weapons, on a model by model basis.

4. Roll you attack. ETC etc.

5. Consolidate 3" into the nearest enemy model, on model by model basis.

6. Repeat

Sup type Flyrant having charged should have been able to pile in and consolidate for a total of 6" move towards the tank.

[yarlun]

Thanks Kaze! I thought this was to be the case. I ended up tabling my opponent which was a bonus.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Kaze is 100% correct. However, you could not target his tank commander for attacks if you didn't declare a charge against him that turn.

[nidzy]

Jul 17, 2018 12:34:39 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Kaze is 100% correct. However, you could not target his tank commander for attacks if you didn't declare a charge against him that turn.

The point is that (please do not swear) isn't shooting though

[xetemara]

This is news to me ... Very interesting...

What would have been the case if the AM, stealers and Flyrant would already have been in CC last turn and the Stealers killed the AM unit this turn = Would the Flyrant still be allowed to Pile in and /or consolidate?

[nackanid]

No, you can only activate a unit that charged or is within an inch of an enemy model

[yarlun]

Jul 20, 2018 11:20:10 GMT xetemara said:

This is news to me ... Very interesting...

What would have been the case if the AM, stealers and Flyrant would already have been in CC last turn and the Stealers killed the AM unit this turn = Would the Flyrant still be allowed to Pile in and /or consolidate?

How I see your scenario is, Flyrant cannot pile in, because in that fight group there is no other viable enemy. And according to this thread, everything on the nid's side will just consolidate. How Flyrants consolidate 6" like Hormagaunts I need to look that up... I don't remember fly keyword gives that ability... but I might be wrong. Edited* I see what kazetanade meant now, he meant the total possible movement which only includes both pile in, in addition to consilidation.

[harleyxjguy]

Ok so in the original scenario the Flyrant consolidated when the Stealers killed the Guard?

Did the Flyrant pile in and consolidate immediately or when the controlling player activated him? The Flyrant doesn’t get an extra pile in and consolidate or does he?

[devilrules]

yarlun, the flyrant isnt consloldating 6, it is piling in 3 then consolodating 3

[rpricew]

kazetanade has is 100% correct.

This is a big difference between 7th and 8th.

In addition, this is also one of the most common mistakes I see players make. They activate their next unit before finishing their 6 step process. In 7th, we would do all our charges, then attacks, then consolidates, completing each step army wide. In 8th, we have to go through the 6 step process PER UNIT once the Fight Phase has started and the Charge Phase has concluded. The point of this is so that you have to be careful where you move (either Pile In or Consolidate) your models, because consolidating models can block out future fighters if you consolidate wrong. How your opponent pulls casualties can totally dictate your movement abilities in combat as well.

Remember you have to end your move "closer" to the closest enemy model. So a savvy opponent can control your Pile In / Consolidate moves by leaving certain models in place to force you to end your moves closer to them. Also, watch for opponents that try to move AWAY from the closest model to try and pile on more attacks. Pile In / Consolidate moves are on a PER MODEL basis. Not a unit basis.

[hibasa]

You only get to pile in with charging units right?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jul 25, 2018 10:48:30 GMT hibasa said:

You only get to pile in with charging units right?

Any unit that can fight can pile in.

[hibasa]

Thank you. I need to buy the BRB. I was just misinformed

[rpricew]

Jul 25, 2018 12:36:28 GMT hibasa said:

Thank you. I need to buy the BRB. I was just misinformed

You can download the primer for free and it has the core rules that answer this question.