2000pts Casual vs Marines

[demus117]

Hi, so I have an upcoming casual game against Raven Guard with their lovely -1 to hit outside of 12". I'm expecting lots of marines with some dreads maybe a tank or two

Idea 1 is based around hitting fast with the 2 flying tyrants and the harpy and trying to get first turn charges with at least one of the units of genestealers. The Swarmlord might then last long enough to get in to combat with so many other threats in their face. The Gaunts and rippers are then for objective capturing

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [85 PL, 1521pts] ++

Hive Fleet: Kraken

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 209pts]: Adrenal Glands, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 209pts]: Adrenal Glands, Chameleonic Mutation, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Psychic Scream, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

+ Troops +

Genestealers [16 PL, 240pts]: 5x Acid Maw
. 20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws

Genestealers [16 PL, 240pts]: 5x Acid Maw
. 20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws

Termagants [9 PL, 156pts]
. 10x Termagant (Devourer): 10x Devourer
. 19x Termagant (Fleshborer)

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [13 PL, 288pts]
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

+ Flyer +

Harpy [9 PL, 179pts]: 2x Heavy Venom Cannon, Show Spore Mine Rules, Stinger Salvo

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [26 PL, 476pts] ++

Hive Fleet: Kraken

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [4 PL, 70pts]: Power: Onslaught, Warlord

The Swarmlord [15 PL, 300pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror

+ Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]: 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

++ Total: [111 PL, 1997pts] ++

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Idea 2 isn't fully formed yet and has 328 points left. Idea is to try and tie up units with the flyers first and hopefully survive until the underground units can reinforce with some double shooting devilgaunts not sure what else will complement this list. Did consider a unit of 3 carnifex with the -1 to hit coupled with the 2+ save might survive for a while but not sure what load out would be best.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [35 PL, 724pts] ++

Hive Fleet: Jormungandr

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 209pts]: Adrenal Glands, Monstrous Rending Claws, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 209pts]: Adrenal Glands, Monstrous Rending Claws, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

+ Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Termagants [9 PL, 240pts]
. 30x Termagant (Devourer): 30x Devourer

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Tyranids) [48 PL, 948pts] ++

Hive Fleet: Jormungandr

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [4 PL, 70pts]

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [13 PL, 288pts]
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Mawloc [6 PL, 104pts]: Prehensile Pincer Tail

Mawloc [6 PL, 104pts]: Prehensile Pincer Tail

Trygon Prime [10 PL, 203pts]: Adrenal Glands, Biostatic Rattle, 3x Massive Scything Talons

+ Flyer +

Harpy [9 PL, 179pts]: 2x Stranglethorn Cannon, Stinger Salvo

++ Total: [83 PL, 1672pts] ++

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Thanks for any help

[opossum]

i really like the first list, the only thing i would change is giving catalyst to neuro: it's the biggest buff we can land and casting with dat sweet reroll 1 make it more reliable.
List 2 could be nice with 3 carni with sense deathspitters and venom cannon, but u're missing some really board control, and gauntbomb with beta rules is too easy to screen properly if u cant create space.Can't see the point in making trygone prime, just a waste of points. For sure neuro warlord with insidious treath buffing carni and maybe gauntbomb with metabolic overdrive

[demus117]

Yeah I think I'm going to forget the second list for now.

The only issue I can see with catalyst to the Neuro is that he might be out of range of anything worth casting it on if he is sitting with the Hive Guard.

[opossum]

So don't sit him on the guard: give him the synaptic linchpinch (or what the hell is the name ) and keep him safe with termagaunts midfield.

[mattblowers]

Definately the first list. Stealers kill Space Marines dead. I would reccomend more units with fewer stealers though. Even 5 stealers reliably kill a unit of SM if 3 of them have acid maws.

[devilrules]

2 things i would change is as follows.

1. your main attack appears to be gs so would minimize gaunts and add venomthropes for turn 1 protection.

2. not a big fan of harpy, would prefer crone if a first turn charge is a must. They are both too fragile for their points though in my oppinion.

[devilrules]

tbf you should have catalyst on two casters anyway, by far the best spell.

Jun 27, 2018 9:05:40 GMT demus117 said:

Yeah I think I'm going to forget the second list for now.

The only issue I can see with catalyst to the Neuro is that he might be out of range of anything worth casting it on if he is sitting with the Hive Guard.

[demus117]

Made some changes based on feedback

Dropped some gaunts to add a unit of Venomthropes and changed the one of the Hive Tyrants to be the warlord. Given him Adaptive biology at the moment but not sure really what to give him. Also gave the Neuro catalyst.

I do also have a malanthrope but couldn't figure out how to get him in the list

I've not tried the Harpy before so was looking forward to giving it a try, was going to use it to try and charge a heavy weapon unit to stop them from shooting the Tyrants. I expect it to die on turn 2 when they fallback and something else shoots it. What would you recommend taking if I did drop it?

Current list is now

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [82 PL, 1433pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Kraken

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 209pts]: Adrenal Glands, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 209pts]: Adrenal Glands, Chameleonic Mutation, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Psychic Scream, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology, Wings

+ Troops +

Genestealers [16 PL, 240pts]: 5x Acid Maw
. 20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws

Genestealers [16 PL, 240pts]: 5x Acid Maw
. 20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws

Termagants [6 PL, 68pts]: 17x Termagant (Fleshborer)

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [13 PL, 288pts]
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

+ Flyer +

Harpy [9 PL, 179pts]: 2x Heavy Venom Cannon, Show Spore Mine Rules, Stinger Salvo

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [31 PL, 566pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Kraken

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [4 PL, 70pts]: Power: Catalyst

The Swarmlord [15 PL, 300pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror

+ Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]: 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

+ Elites +

Venomthropes [5 PL, 90pts]: 3x Venomthrope

++ Total: [113 PL, 1999pts] ++

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