Jormungandr 1300 pts -Casual player need help for tournament

[mirdhynn]

Hello

I didn't play since 6 months and my club want to organize a small tournament (1300 pts)

I am fond of the Jormungandr background so  I want to make a mono fleet list based on this hivefleet.

When the new codex was published, I tried to make some lists works but I always have the same problem : the army was not mobile and I really had difficulties to grab objectives (We will play in Eternal war style)

So I was thinking about something like this :

Warriors goes with raveners for a surprise attack

gaunts are just here to make screens

The 'core nut' is the 2 Tfexs

Do you think it is viable for a scenario game where movement is important ?

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [72 PL, 1285pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Jormungandr

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 204pts]: Monstrous Rending Claws, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots, Wings

Neurothrope [4 PL, 70pts]

+ Troops +

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]: 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]: 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]: 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

Tyranid Warriors [9 PL, 192pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Boneswords, Venom Cannon

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [13 PL, 192pts]
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Raveners [4 PL, 79pts]
. Ravener: Deathspitter, 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: Deathspitter, 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons

+ Heavy Support +

Tyrannofex [11 PL, 214pts]: Acid Spray, Stinger Salvo

Tyrannofex [11 PL, 214pts]: Acid Spray, Stinger Salvo

++ Total: [72 PL, 1285pts] ++

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[devilrules]

1.Dont think you need 3 screening units, there is not much which will want to charge your tfexes, no one wants to be hit by 2d6 auto hit flamer doing d3 damage. so i would remove 2 of these and replace with 2 ripper swarms, this will give you more manouveravility.

2. flyrant deathspitters vs devourers. Deathspitters loose in all matchups except for
a. T6 S2+
b. T7 S2+
c. T7 S3+
as these will be prime targets for all your hard hitters, devourers will prob be better.

3. acid maw tyrannofexes arent very mobile but if you are willing to lose the shooting for 1 turn for one of them, you can use the double move strat. move the other one up inc advance, you can still shoot if you cast onslaught. this will put them in a great position for turn 2 onwards if they survive.

[mirdhynn]

Jun 20, 2018 13:39:41 GMT devilrules said:

1.Dont think you need 3 screening units, there is not much which will want to charge your tfexes, no one wants to be hit by 2d6 auto hit flamer doing d3 damage. so i would remove 2 of these and replace with 2 ripper swarms, this will give you more manouveravility.

2. flyrant deathspitters vs devourers. Deathspitters loose in all matchups except for
a. T6 S2+
b. T7 S2+
c. T7 S3+
as these will be prime targets for all your hard hitters, devourers will prob be better.

3. acid maw tyrannofexes arent very mobile but if you are willing to lose the shooting for 1 turn for one of them, you can use the double move strat. move the other one up inc advance, you can still shoot if you cast onslaught. this will put them in a great position for turn 2 onwards if they survive.

1. Are you sure ? 7 average auto hits with only  AP-1 not seems so impressive to me. And once in close combat, TFex is just as effective as an oyster.

2. Yes this is a mistake, I off course prefer the devorers

I also envisaged to put some venomthropes to make really harder Tfex to be killed. What do you think about this ?

I have serious difficulties with Jorm hive fleet. I hesitate between taking advantage of their cover save (like this list) or going to full "drop list" using multiple raveners units. I don't know what should be better...

[red]

How about some changes.


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Tyranids) ++
+ HQ +
Neurothrope
+ Elites +
6 x Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

+ Heavy Support +
3 units Carnifex with : Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) ++
+ HQ +
Hive Tyrant: 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings
Tyranid Prime: Boneswords, Deathspitter

+ Troops +
Ripper Swarms: 3x Ripper Swarm
Ripper Swarms: 3x Ripper Swarm
Termagants : 10x Devourer 15x Termagant (Fleshborer)
Termagants: 15x Termagant (Fleshborer)

[mirdhynn]

well... completely different
but I don't see the jormungandr benefice here
Can you explain me?

[devilrules]

dev gaunts without ds are terrible and so so the prime.

exchange the prime with another nerothrope, and reduce the no of fleshboarers so that you can add ravener taxi.

love jorm fexes but do you mean 2 devs or 2 setos of 2 devs?

venomthropes are useless as if you get 3, they just kill one and then no protection for monsters. if you want the protection, change neurothrope to malathrope instead, but you need to remove something to make up the points.

2d6 ow is on average 7 hits vs a dreadnaught, that will be 5 wounds, 2 or 3 unsaved so 4 to 6 wounds. not too shabby, especially since you can use a cp to increase the hits and a strat to add 1 to the damage.
also 4 attacks strength 7 ap -1 2damage isnt garbage.

you also gotta think in a game this size they wont have too many things that can do too much damage in cc to these

[red]

My list is all about options that is what jorm is options

Tyrannofex have to stand still to be effective, daka fexes are very mobile. and with -1 to hit and 2+ armor save they are very durable.
so this gives you options to move them around 72 shots @ S6 it does not matter who your are its going to hurt. and you have to option to charge into CC
to try kill last 1-2 man of a unit your have impact mortal wounds 4 attacks at S6 and a tail S8 d3 wounds .
They are also anti horde army

you have 1 unit of 25 gaunts with 10 Devs giving you 45 shots @ 12 inch and 30 at 18 inch
you have to option to deep strike them but you could also use them as a screen... no one wants to charge 45 shots with reroll the ones
and if you get in to CC use a strategem CauCaoutin blood it only 1 CP and for any model that was slain you get a chance to do mortal wounds on your opponent .

warriors you can deepstrike them but if you want to make them hit hard you need a prime to give them the +1 to hit in CC and shooting.
for 1 CP he can deepstrike with the warriors and give a little extra puch to the unit. i give them all AG to give you a better chance / option to charge after deep strike.

ravangers i feel you spend to much points on your ravangers give them spinefist its only 3 points and you get 12 shots at 12 inch but with the option to shoot them in close combat 2

[devilrules]

red I do like your list, but would only take it in 1 circumstance.

This is verry good if the beta deepstrike rules are in play, myrdhynn do you know if that is the case.

Withe the beta I think carnafexes will become a great unit again, which i love as i own about 9 and just bought ooe.

[mirdhynn]

Jun 20, 2018 22:23:07 GMT devilrules said:

red I do like your list, but would only take it in 1 circumstance.

This is verry good if the beta deepstrike rules are in play, myrdhynn do you know if that is the case.

Withe the beta I think carnafexes will become a great unit again, which i love as i own about 9 and just bought ooe.

I don't know if it is what you mean but we will use the following rules :

- Deep strikes on first turn can only occur in your deployment zone

- Deep strike can occur every where on the board at the start of the 2nd turn

Concerning your list, red, I understand how it works now. even if I think the jormungandr trait will only benefit to hive guards as other units will not be statics (which is not a big thing as hive guard is supposed to be out of see line if well deployed). I think it would be even better in kronos (Am I right ?)

Anyway, it seems strong.

[devilrules]

jorm trait works as long as you dont advance or charge.
kronos only works if you dont move so in my oppinion jorm would be better

[red]

hive guards, the classic mistake people make is stick them behind a piece of terrain and think they are save . Flyers can fly over the terrain and shoot them in the back .
Thats what experienced players do. Some opponents make a field day of it. because the unit is so expensive full unit 288 points when this happens to you often , then you turn to the Carnifex because they are durable mobile reliable and cheap.

[opossum]

With this low ammount of points a lot of mediocre choises in bigger games become viable: 2 tfex are not bad,just use double move strat. raveners for beta strike are quite terrible right with beta rules expecially with low points, drop them whyle warriors are nice , but need a prime to work properly. u can drop 10 gaunts, u don't relly need all this screen if u keep warriors close to tfex. Carnifexs are great, under 1500 pts i quite like to get 4devs with acid maws, dropping a bit of punch in shoothing for a nice antytank possility in cc.