1000 pt upcoming tournament. Critique plesh...

[yarlun]

So yes as said in the title I have a local tournament coming up in a month. However, the missions that will be played won't be announced till a week prior to the event, but the event description asks everyone to bring 2 objective markers each.

So onto the list I'm thinking of taking.

HQ:
    Flyrant - 2* Dev and MRC 204pt
    Malanthrope - 140pt

Troops:
    Genestealers * 15 - 3 * Acid Maws 180pt

    Rippers * 3 33pt

    Rippers * 3 33pt

Elite:
    Hive Guard * 4 - All impalers 192pt

Heavy Support:
    Exocrine - 216pt

Total 998pt

So I'm kinda happy with this list, however I feel I don't have enough anti-infantry. Maybe keep hive guards at 3 and/or exchange the exo for something else? What does the hive think?
 

[red]

Exocrine its just to expensive and it has no invun save ,and your opponent does not even have to kill it, if gets 6 wounds you be hitting on BS 5+
and i would not send your GS alone in to combat they will need help. i dont think 4 Hive Guard wil be enough take 6 or none.
i'm not in to hyve guard they just die to easy there T4 and 4+ save and very high point cost makes them ideal assassination candidates for enemy flyers.
they just jump over the building / terrain en shoot them from behind.

I take it you are going want to run kraken with this list ?

why not try make a very fast CC list
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) ++
+ HQ +
Broodlord (catalist for your stealers) or a walkrant with 2 Dev and MRC
Neurothrope
+ Troops +
Genestealers: 3x Acid Maw
14x Genestealer: 14x Rending Claws, 14x Scything Talons
(yes you can give them this SC upgrade for free and should give it and they are very good against targets with Invun saves:(example deamons , harlequins , dark eldar )
Ripper Swarms: 3x Ripper Swarm
Ripper Swarms: 3x Ripper Swarm

+ Heavy Support +
(they are your anti infantry 48 shots +12 from your hyve tyrant) or anti light scimmers T5 T6
Carnifexes
Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms
Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms

Yes bonemace, some times there is stuff on the table with 1-2 wound in charge distance of your dakkafex
Don't be afraid to charge especially if they have invun save.. the mortal wound for impact hit you get and
you get 5 attacks 4 S6 and 1 tail S8 ap-1 D3 damage you be hitting on 3+ on the charge so you have good chance to knock off 1 or 2 wounds

Carnifexes
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts
This is your anti tank and second wave to back up your gene stealers fist turn these can do on average 14 inches first turn so second turn after moving you be at 22 inch from starting position and well in range to charge with a +1 inch . they will also be the body guard of your brood lord / walkrant


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[yarlun]

Jun 18, 2018 19:43:17 GMT red said:

Exocrine its just to expensive and it has no invun save ,and your opponent does not even have to kill it, if gets 6 wounds you be hitting on BS 5+
and i would not send your GS alone in to combat they will need help. i dont think 4 Hive Guard wil be enough take 6 or none.
i'm not in to hyve guard they just die to easy there T4 and 4+ save and very high point cost makes them ideal assassination candidates for enemy flyers.
they just jump over the building / terrain en shoot them from behind.

I take it you are going want to run kraken with this list ?

why not try make a very fast CC list
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) ++
+ HQ +
Broodlord (catalist for your stealers) or a walkrant with 2 Dev and MRC
Neurothrope
+ Troops +
Genestealers: 3x Acid Maw
14x Genestealer: 14x Rending Claws, 14x Scything Talons
(yes you can give them this SC upgrade for free and should give it and they are very good against targets with Invun saves:(example deamons , harlequins , dark eldar )
Ripper Swarms: 3x Ripper Swarm
Ripper Swarms: 3x Ripper Swarm

+ Heavy Support +
(they are your anti infantry 48 shots +12 from your hyve tyrant) or anti light scimmers T5 T6
Carnifexes
Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms
Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms

Yes bonemace, some times there is stuff on the table with 1-2 wound in charge distance of your dakkafex
Don't be afraid to charge especially if they have invun save.. the mortal wound for impact hit you get and
you get 5 attacks 4 S6 and 1 tail S8 ap-1 D3 damage you be hitting on 3+ on the charge so you have good chance to knock off 1 or 2 wounds

Carnifexes
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts
This is your anti tank and second wave to back up your gene stealers fist turn these can do on average 14 inches first turn so second turn after moving you be at 22 inch from starting position and well in range to charge with a +1 inch . they will also be the body guard of your brood lord / walkrant


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Hi Red, thanks for your input, I like your idea for the dakkafexes, however due to the number of fexes I have I'm gonna change out the anti-tank fexes to something else, such as 6 h.guards. what do you think?

[devilrules]

i agree exocrine will be terrible with this list, partly because you have no screen. add 2 more hive guard and 1 more acid maw gs (so 16 squad).
if you dont think you have enough anti infantry i would also change flyrant to 4 devs.
also as your hive guard are hidden i would prob get rid of mal for a neurothrope and therefore you could prob have 2 squads of gs

[devilrules]

e.g
flyrant w 4devs
neuro

rippers
rippers
16 gs
12 gs

6 hive guard
1 muculid spore (to help with area denial near hive guard)

998 pts.

be kraken and give flyrant -1 to hit and rerolls ves chosen model type.

the rest of your army doesnt get -1 to hit on turn 1 but you have more models and spells. If you got first turn the malnathrope biff would be almost pointless anyway

[kazetanade]

Hive Guard are actually the best value you can get for 1k points; take 6, hide them behind buildings and LOS blocking cover, and pelt the enemy with Single Minded Annihilation.

If there's an enemy Flier and its geared to kill hive guard at 1k points, you probably have the tools to win the game outright. Most fliers cost 200pts or more, so they're fighting 1/4 down an army on the ground. Hardly any flier is worth it anyway.

An Exocrine is superflous, as you have Hive Guard. These two fill an identical role. Pump the points into wrap, or another Flyrant. If you bring the 2nd Flyrant with double devs, you'll have all the scoring and anti-infantry you need to be a serious threat. The GS can just let go at whichever target you feel is the biggest threat to your Flyrants and HG, who would be the main carry of your list.

Edit: i forgot to say, I'd actually remove the malanthrope and play with venomthropes, thats how you get the extra points to work with. I'm not sure its enough though but play around with it.

I play without FW so a malanthrope is not an option, but venomthropes have always survived T1 unless i made a serious booboo in placement.