ITC 60ish stealer list

[winterman]

So now that the FAQ dropped and I have had time to think more about how I want to play bugs for awhile, I am thinking I'd rather take a more close combat focused list. With that in mind...

2000 point Kraken

Kraken Battalion

Flying Tyrant - 4x devourer, Toxin, Chameleon, Warlord (I can pick per game in ITC but thinking the reroll hit specific datasheet one)
Flying Tyrant - 2x devourer, MRC, Adrenal, Toxin (may spend the point for the relic claws, but dunno)

3x 3 Rippers

Kraken Battalion

Malanthrope
Swarmlord

6 Hive Guard

3x 19 Genestealers

3 Meiotic Spores

Nothing ground breaking, but I do like the feel of having 3 units of stealers rather than the 3rd tyrant or carnifexes.

[devilrules]

i like it, i do worry about your swarmlord if you dont get t1

[winterman]

Definitely a gamble there. Will depend a lot on the terrain and deployment type, but yeah I suspect he will get focused down by a lot of armies.

I was fiddling with a bastion build, where swarmie had a place to hide on any table. Basically loses one of the stealer units to fit it in, but could prove worth it.

[red]

If swarmy is your big plan then you better get some tyrant guard and drop the hyve guard
here is my thoughts on your army its mostly the same  there are still some points left to tweak it


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) ++
+ HQ +
Malanthrope
The Swarmlord
+ troops +
19x Genestealer: 19x Rending Claws 4x Acid Maw
19x Genestealer: 19x Rending Claws 4x Acid Maw
19x Genestealer: 19x Rending Claws 4x Acid Maw
+ Elites +
3 x Tyrant Guard: Adrenal Glands, Rending Claws, Scything Talons


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) ++
+ HQ +
Hive Tyrant: 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings
Hive Tyrant: Monstrous Rending Claws, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

+ Troops +
3 x Ripper Swarms
3 x Ripper Swarms
3 x Ripper Swarms

+ Heavy Support +
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts
Carnifex: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Bone Mace, Spore Cysts

[kazetanade]

TGuard are ok, but being out of range and moving into range later is always preferable. TGuard can be burned out and while its not EASY to do, it only takes a shadowsword that rolled 2 hits 2 wounds and 2 failed saves to destroy that whole configuration. That said, at the start range its possible almost no anti-tank can get at them short of basilisks due to out of sight shenanigans you can pull similar to drones and broadsides.

If you could pull a few Harpies into the list, you'd have a REALLY solid Genestealer support list. A Swarmlord, 2 Harpies, and 2 Fexes provides a LOT of anti-tank overload and quite frankly 9/10 wont know the right guys to prioritize (Swarmie is no. 1 but if he cant be burned down, Harpies are a close 2nd but they'll probably be distracted by the Carnifexen who shoot at 3+ on S9 3D guns).

Hive Guard are always solid though; I'd put HG over Fexes any day, unless I'm running 4+ Fexes with the HVC. HG are the best recipient of SMA strategrm, tying with 30 Dev gants in very niche situations (super horde armies) and hence gives them out put similar to like 4+ Fexes despite the weaker gun.

If the Fexes could shoot as a unit, then I'd consider them an incredibly powerful unit due to PS strategem. As they dont, they're okay-ish but not STELLAR good. PS is very niche without a gun beast like an Exocrine what with everything else having poor number of shots or poor AP(like the STC which could have been good if it wasn't -1sv, or had a way to modify the ap). There COULD be some shenanigans with Harpies and STCs though since they fire 2D6 and get a 3+ vs a horde unit, or 4+ vs elites but getting a flat 3 dam to replace HVC (which only has 1ap better anyway).

[winterman]

May 27, 2018 7:51:43 GMT red said:

If swarmy is your big plan then you better get some tyrant guard and drop the hyve guard

I wouldn't categorize Swarmy as the big plan in all honestly. The 3 units of stealers are the big plan, and even without swarmy are pretty damn good. I have ran 2 units without him and done fairly well, what I have found though is with how I play 2 just isn't enough. So when adding 3 it just makes sense to work Swarmy in. Stealers get better with him. Now two units of them are fast threats rather than 1 (assuming Swarmy lives for at least 1 turn).

As far as the suggested list, for competitive play I can't get behind not taking the hive guard. They are one of the best units in the game. Also used cc carnifexes and found them lackluster. I can see them working within a list built around OOE, but shooty carnifexes are just better when it comes to splashing them in. At least from my experience. They didn't make this particular list purely out of points and trying something different for a bit.

If you could pull a few Harpies into the list, you'd have a REALLY solid Genestealer support list.

I have been considering them more and more lately. I have one still on sprue. Don't think it will make it for my next GT adventure but I like the idea.