Nick Nanavati (Ynnari + Eldar) Vs Tubby (Tyranids) Match

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thebrownmagic.com/2018/05/04/nick-nanavati-vs-tubby-eldar-ynari-vs-tyranids-sunday-5-6-3pm-est/

The lists are detailed in the post but I'll copy/paste them here for ease:

Tyranids
Kraken Battalion
Hive Tyrant- wings, 2 devourers 218
Hive Tyrant- wings, 2 devourers 218
19 Genestealers- 4 acid maws 228
19 Genestealers- 4 acid maws 228
28 Hormagaunts 140

Kraken Vanguard
Swarmlord 300
6 Hive Guard 288
6 Hive Guard 288
3 Venomthropes 90

1998 Total

Alaitoc Battalion
Warlock 55
Warlock 55
5 Rangers 60
5 Rangers 60
5 Rangers 60
Wave Serpent- cannons 129
Wave Serpent- cannons 129

Mixed Supreme Command
Farseer <alaitoc> 110
Farseer <alaitoc> 110
Spiritseer <biel tan> 65

Ynnari Outrider
Cat Lady 132
5 Hawks <biel tan> 60
5 Hawks <biel tan> 60
5 Hawks <biel tan> 60
9 Shining Spears- star lance <biel tan> 281
9 Shining Spears- star lance <saim hann> 281
8 Dark Reapers- tempest launcher <alaitoc> 277


They ended up tying, 24-24.

What do you think of the Tyranid list?

[gigasnail]

he went all in with the zerg, forgoing the usual rippers for dropping onto objectives. i'll check it out.

[gigasnail]

ok it's behind his paywall or w/e, so i won't be checking it out right now lol.

anyway it's an interesting list. venoms for T1 hiding, HG to help punch holes in tanks, gunboat flyrants to clear the way and troubleshoot. the interesting thing to me is the lack of rippers for progressives.

[autoxidation]

Yeah I'm curious how the hormagaunts did but not curious enough to pay $10 to see it. Still, it's nice to see what the pros are thinking about and trying post FAQ, and it's promising to see it perform neck and neck with a strong Eldar list.

[devilrules]

all looks good except the swarmlord, bit too expensive to be worth it (unless the beta deepstrike rules are being used)

[zimko]

May 10, 2018 8:30:05 GMT devilrules said:

all looks good except the swarmlord, bit too expensive to be worth it (unless the beta deepstrike rules are being used)

(the beta deepstrike rules are being used)

[kazetanade]

It could be based on Nova rules too, which lets you choose progressive or end of turn scoring; it was covered under one of his other 3 part posts.

Alternatively it could be an ETC format where progressives aren't as... relevant to doing well? Although i felt ITC already doesnt have a great emphasis on progressive. Or possibly relying on the hormies to have the reach for progressives.

[zimko]

This is definitely an ITC list because it's the only format where you'll see people take units of 19 on purpose. NOVA missions have a similar secondary but their's is "1 point for every 20 models killed" instead of ITC's "1 point for each unit of 10+ or 2 points for each unit of 20+". I like NOVA's idea better and I hope ITC adopts it in the future. It's annoying having silliness like AM taking a Mortar Team so that their units have only 9 models... and therefore don't give up any points to Reaper. You could be looking at an army with 100+ models that doesn't give up a single point to Reaper simply because they spammed units of 9.

[luke1705]

Yeah I spoke with Dallas about it. Apparently they played the game to a 24-24 tie.

I was thinking the Rippers would be nice too but I mean what are you going to take out? That’s when you have to place objectives knowing where your army wants to be. Also hive guard and the venomthropes are mostly going to hang back.

I actually really like his list and will try it out this Saturday a a local RTT to see how it plays differently from my list. The biggest thing I’ll likely miss is the 3rd squad of Genestealers that I was using, but flyrants are really nice too.

[Hive Bahamut]

Great list matchup. Kraken relies almost entirely on melee, ignoring the bonus delivered by the powerful Alaitoc. Ironically Kraken shares their trait with its relic. Post-FAQ I don't believe the Swarmlord is dead. Slingshotting Stealers another potential 20" is worth its weight in gold when that is the game plan. People tend not to realize Genestealers can move 40" then charge, until they see it. Hive Guard punch out the Serpents if they get too close, or just chunk away at stuff in range.

I suspect SMA, Adrenaline, Overrun were key components to the list.

[luke1705]

Swarmlord is definitely not dead. People forget that he can use the metabolic overdrive stratagem turn 1 if you want, so that’s a casual 30” of movement for him. This is important if he needs to hide in a far corner at the start of the game. Let alone that if he has -1 to hit (and you’re doing something wrong if he doesn’t) then he has some pretty good anti-Alpha protection.

I haven’t left home without a Swarmlord since the start of 8th edition

[thraxamundar]

Any info on this battle report. I am interested to see how he worked this list. Wonder if he deep struck any of the tyrants.

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Only way to know is to cough up $10 for his premium service.

[997turbo]

I'm the Tyranid player in the game, and I'll just say that Swarmlord is literally the most important piece of the army. Not even close. I've also never even come remotely close to losing him turn one.

[thraxamundar]

May 13, 2018 5:33:46 GMT 997turbo said:

I'm the Tyranid player in the game, and I'll just say that Swarmlord is literally the most important piece of the army. Not even close. I've also never even come remotely close to losing him turn one.

Mind telling us some key points? Did you deep strike the tyrants? And what do you think about our current state of the Nids with all these nerfs.